You are absolutely correct Jimmy and I am glad that you had the courage to mention that in the embattled climate that we live in today within the United States. The origin of that statement in the establishment of our great nation was at that time to change the relationship that had previously existed in almost if not every European country at that time but namely and specifically Great Brittan which claimed sovereignty over the newly established area identified as "New England" which comprised much of the eastern coastal area of the North American Continent. Which were established as the 13 original colonies before establishing a more dominate presence that eventually after a log time became the United States Confederacy and then ultimately the United States of America that we know today. Well since under British Monarchical Rule was just in nature one that religion and state were bound in every facet of their culture. From the establishment of the church of England which separated themselves with the Roman Catholic Church in Rome. Which even today is still as such and a raining monarch is absolutely forbidden from pledging allegiance to anything but the Anglican Church also under British influence. Which has remained that way since its separation from the church of Rome and still remains this way in Brittan today. The issue with that from the new immigrants that had developed and established these new colones were from different walks of life and therefore were used to the traditional beliefs that they have grown to know such as the Quakers and Pilgrims. Each of which had their own beliefs and traditional values and though they were officially under the British coffers had become tired of the harsh influence of both the monarchy and church to establish an independent colony and ratifying the Deceleration of Independence and take matters into their own hands and succeeded primarily due to the British Army not having enough influence and or resources to take back the new land. It was then that they came together in their effort to establish a working government and foundation of principles that eventually helps to establish The Constitution of the United States of America. One thing that was of mutual consensus at that time was the freedom to religious diversity and establishing that in this new colony of the America's that the Church shall be in whole in it's own entity. But should not be used in the act of judgement or biased influence that was not equally fair to all of it's citizens. That their would be new respect to religious diversity and the common pursuit of happiness, essentially allow all citizens equal rights and privileges. So as to allow broad unalienable rights to all people with the right and influence to be a part of their government and make it a government of the people. "For the people established by the people." The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." The modern concept of a wholly secular government is sometimes credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" in this context is generally traced to a January 1, 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, addressed to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper. Echoing the language of the founder of the first Baptist church in America, Roger Williams—who had written in 1644 of "[A] hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world"— Jefferson wrote, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."[1]
Rev. Ashan
P.L.U.R. - Peace, Love, Unity and Respect...
From: Jimmy Meehan <greenbird29@yahoo.com>
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From: Jimmy Meehan <greenbird29@yahoo.com>
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WoW, there is SO much being confused here on this site...First of all, OUR government is Suppose To Be non-denominational and secular - Remember Separation of Church and State ? But, (sorry for starting a sentence with a conjunction) there is some serious confusion lately, among the ultra-wrong-winged, intellectually-challenged, programmed, matrix-dreaming, borg-unit zombies of U.S., with Capitalism, Nationalism, and Religion, and anyone who opposes that toxic combo, is considered Un-American, or Anti-American, or Socialist/Communist in their FauxNews/Slime propaganda programing. It is an extremely demented, myopic view of what it is to be a TRUE American.
Unfortunately for the rest of U.S., unregulated, greedy, Capitalism is the dominate ideology in the lineup.
Corporate Ownership/Corruption of OUR Government "public servants" is Fascism, and is a Very Real threat to OUR Individual Freedom, OUR Democracy, and OUR once-great nation.
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What seems to have been written down in the book we know as the bible is pure and simple only rape, violence, murder, abuse, infidelity, treachery, super-natural beings and the rest......... Seems to me that in 2012 there's little difference..... What astound me is that so-called good-christians are following and quoting a book that describes all of the above as being from god....... and that they all practice it as being the best ever........ meanwhile condemning people who love each other..... The only good thing seems to be that when reading all the things that are supposedly the words by and actions of god we get a good insight in the mental state of the creature... a total nutcase, a sadist, an adulterer, a murderer and a very mean thing at that! Still wondering as to why so many people want to follow that creature as their leader... must be something to do with being stupid and ignorant..... Or could it simply be that they are ... well, following the herds of the morons? And lacking any self-development? Just thinking out loud.....
To: Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com From: marc_croux@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:26:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Re: Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Jul 20, 2012-Chick-fil-A has Anti-Gay Owner
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<the biblical definition of
> the family unit<<<<<<<<<<
> the family unit<<<<<<<<<<
Genesis
4:19: Lamech married Adah, then Zillah.
chapter 6:
1-2 More and more people were born, until finally they spread all over the earth. Some of their daughters were so beautiful that supernatural beings![]()
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3 Then the Lord said, â€Å"I won't let my life-giving breath remain in anyone forever.![]()
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4 The children of the supernatural beings who had married these women became famous heroes and warriors. They were called Nephilim and lived on the earth at that time and even later. came down and married the ones they wanted.
No one will live for more than one hundred twenty years.�
Hagar and Ishmael
16 1 Abram's wife Sarai had not been able to have any children. But she owned a young Egyptian slave woman named Hagar, 2 and Sarai said to Abram, â€Å"The Lord has not given me any children. Sleep with my slave, and if she has a child, it will be mine.�![]()
Abram agreed, 3 and Sarai gave him Hagar to be his wife. This happened after Abram had lived in the land of Canaan for ten years. Chapter 196 Lot went outside and shut the door behind him. 7 Then he said, â€Å"Friends, please don't do such a terrible thing! 8 I have two daughters who have never been married. I'll bring them out, and you can do what you want with them. But don't harm these men. They are guests in my home.� Moab and Ammon
30 Lot was afraid to stay on in Zoar. So he took his two daughters and moved to a cave in the hill country. 31 One day his older daughter said to her sister, â€Å"Our father is old, and there are no men anywhere for us to marry. 32 Let's get our father drunk! Then we can sleep with him and have children.� 33 That night they got their father drunk, and the older daughter got in bed with him, but he was too drunk even to know she was there.
34 The next day the older daughter said to her sister, â€Å"I slept with my father last night. We'll get him drunk again tonight, so you can go to bed with him, and we can each have a child.� 35 That night they got their father drunk, and this time the younger sister slept with him. But once again he was too drunk even to know she was there.
36 That's how Lot's two daughters had their children. 37 The older daughter named her son Moab,![]()
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and he is the ancestor of the Moabites. 38 The younger daughter named her son Benammi,
and he is the ancestor of the Ammonites.
the Children of Nahor20-23 Abraham's brother Nahor had married Milcah, and Abraham was later told that they had eight sons. Uz was their first-born; Buz was next, and then there was Kemuel who became the father of Aram; their other five sons were: Chesed, Hazo, Pildash, Jidlaph, and Bethuel, who became the father of Rebekah. 24 Nahor also had another wife.Her name was Reumah, and she had four sons: Tebah, Gaham, Tahash, and Maacah.1-2 When Sarah was one hundred twenty-seven years old, she died in Kiriath-Arba, better known as Hebron, in the land of Canaan. After Abraham had mourned for her, 3 he went to the Hittites and said, 4 â€Å"I live as a foreigner in your land, and I don't own any property where I can bury my wife. Please let me buy a piece of land.�A Wife for Isaac241 Abraham was now a very old man. The Lord had made him rich, and he was successful in everything he did. 2 One day, Abraham called in his most trusted servant and said to him, â€Å"Solemnly promise me 3 in the name of the Lord, who rules heaven and earth, that you won't choose a wife for my son Isaac from the people here in the land of Canaan. 4 Instead, go back to the land where I was born and find a wife for him from among my relatives.�251 Abraham married Keturah, 2 and they had six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. 3 Later, Jokshan became the father of Sheba and Dedan, and when Dedan grew up, he had three sons: Asshurim, Letushim, and Leummim. 4 Midian also had five sons: Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abida, and Eldaah.5-6 While Abraham was still alive, he gave gifts to the sons of Hagar and Keturah. He also sent their sons to live in the east far from his son Isaac, and when Abraham died, he left everything to Isaac.The Death of Abraham7-8 Abraham died at the ripe old age of one hundred seventy-five. 9-10 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him east of Hebronin Machpelah Cave that was part of the field Abraham had bought from Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite. Abraham was buried there beside his wife Sarah.![]()
11 God blessed Isaac after this, and Isaac moved to a place called â€Å"The Well of the Living One Who Sees Me.�Interesting isn't it? So there we have the biblical definition of marriag: plural marriage then, divorce is no problem. Rape of daughters is preferred to rape of male visitors. These selfsame daughters "the only righteous people in the city" have then of course no qualms about raping their own dad. Regardless of the nearness of another town and the fact that Abe is only two days travel away. Supernatural beings are also available for marriage in the Bible, strange that Lot's daughters didn't know. And yes not only is the incest immediately blessed with offspring and a profuse one at that, relatives are preferrable for marriage over others of course. Including marrying your own sister (half sister or not). No wonder Newt is such a philanderer if he follows the biblical definition of marriage. Now we understand why half the neocons are multiple divorcees. Do also note the obvious contradiction. I put it in bold. Both Sarah and Abraham have the audacity of disobeying god's decree by outliving his age restriction by seven and then by twentyfive years. What were they thinking? What is such an abomination again? Rev. Br. Marc
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