>I have recently created a group called True Fellowship, to which I would like to invite anyone that wants to have open and frank discussion about all things religion/gay related.
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>It is the intention to be frank and open but also understanding and supportive of one another. I don't mind so much if people yell at each other, but bashing and stalking will not be allowed. People are encouraged to share their history and feelings.
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>This is the list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TrueFellowshipGroup
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>To Master Adrian, I can say this: I have an extensive personal god-experience which far exceeds any scripture. I see the Bible and other scriptures far more as an account of the changing views of god by men, rather than a historic account of actual events in which god would have revealed himself.
>A lot of what one finds in that book full of novellas and mythology was clearly written to create a myth of nation. It borrows extensively from other mythologies and confuses its own mythology with actual history.
>And you are right that it is very strange to be a literalist about what was written there. Of course I have a catholic and a 70's-80's mormon background.
>That puts me in a unique position. Especially since I am now in a church which is in the Liberal Catholic tradition and I also have quite an extensive experience with American Evangelicalism.
>And, as you, being in Europe it is often a surreal experience to hear American religious attitudes that seem to be coming from another planet.
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>Rev. Br. Marc
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>From: Master Adrian <masteradrian@live.com>
>>To: peckers_pics@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:10 AM
>>Subject: RE: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Re: Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Jul 20, 2012-Chick-fil-A has Anti-Gay Owner
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>>What seems to have been written down in the book we know as the bible is pure and simple only rape, violence, murder, abuse, infidelity, treachery, super-natural beings and the rest......... Seems to me that in 2012 there's little difference..... What astound me is that so-called good-christians are following and quoting a book that describes all of the above as being from god....... and that they all practice it as being the best ever........ meanwhile condemning people who love each other..... The only good thing seems to be that when reading all the things that are supposedly the words by and actions of god we get a good insight in the mental state of the creature... a total nutcase, a sadist, an adulterer, a murderer and a very mean thing at that! Still wondering as to why so many people want to follow that creature as their leader... must be something to do with being stupid and ignorant..... Or could it simply be that they are ... well, following
the herds of the morons? And lacking any self-development? Just thinking out loud.....
>>To: Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com From: marc_croux@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:26:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Re: Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Jul 20, 2012-Chick-fil-A has Anti-Gay Owner
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>>Genesis
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>>4:19: Lamech married Adah, then Zillah.
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>>1-2 More and more people were born, until finally they spread all over the earth. Some of their daughters were so beautiful that supernatural beings came down and married the ones they wanted. 3 Then the Lord said, “I won't let my life-giving breath remain in anyone forever. No one will live for more than one hundred twenty years.� 4 The children of the supernatural beings who had married these women became famous heroes and warriors. They were called Nephilim and lived on the earth at that time and even later.
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>>Hagar and Ishmael 16
>>1 Abram's wife Sarai had not been able to have any children. But she owned a young Egyptian slave woman named Hagar, 2 and Sarai said to Abram, “The Lord has not given me any children. Sleep with my slave, and if she has a child, it will be mine.� Abram agreed, 3 and Sarai gave him Hagar to be his wife. This happened after Abram had lived in the land of Canaan for ten years. Chapter 196 Lot went outside and shut the door behind him. 7 Then he said, “Friends, please don't do such a terrible thing! 8 I have two daughters who have never been married. I'll bring them out, and you can do what you want with them. But don't harm these men. They are guests in my home.� Moab and Ammon
>>30 Lot was afraid to stay on in Zoar. So he took his two daughters and moved to a cave in the hill country. 31 One day his older daughter said to her sister, “Our father is old, and there are no men anywhere for us to marry. 32 Let's get our father drunk! Then we can sleep with him and have children.� 33 That night they got their father drunk, and the older daughter got in bed with him, but he was too drunk even to know she was there.
>>34 The next day the older daughter said to her sister, “I slept with my father last night. We'll get him drunk again tonight, so you can go to bed with him, and we can each have a child.� 35 That night they got their father drunk, and this time the younger sister slept with him. But once again he was too drunk even to know she was there.
>>36 That's how Lot's two daughters had their children. 37 The older daughter named her son Moab, and he is the ancestor of the Moabites. 38 The younger daughter named her son Benammi, and he is the ancestor of the Ammonites.
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>>Abraham and Sarah at Gerar 20
>>11 Abraham answered:
>>I did it because I didn't think any of you respected God, and I was sure that someone would kill me to get my wife. 12 Besides, she is my half sister. We have the same father, but different mothers. 13 When God made us leave my father's home and start wandering, I told her, “If you really love me, you will tell everyone that I am your brother.�
>>14 Abimelech gave Abraham some sheep, cattle, and slaves. He sent Sarah back 15 and told Abraham that he could settle anywhere in his country. 16 Then he said to Sarah, “I have given your brother a thousand pieces of silver as proof to everyone that you have done nothing wrong.�
>> Hagar and Ishmael Are Sent Away
>>9-10 One day, Sarah noticed Hagar's son Ishmael playing, and she said to Abraham, “Get rid of that Egyptian slave woman and her son! I don't want him to inherit anything. It should all go to my son.�
>>11 Abraham was worried about Ishmael. 12 But God said, “Abraham, don't worry about your slave woman and the boy. Just do what Sarah tells you. Isaac will inherit your family name, 13 but the son of the slave woman is also your son, and I will make his descendants into a great nation.�
>>14 Early the next morning Abraham gave Hagar an animal skin full of water and some bread. Then he put the boy on her shoulder and sent them away.
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>>the Children of Nahor
>>>20-23 Abraham's brother Nahor had married Milcah, and Abraham was later told that they had eight sons. Uz was their first-born; Buz was next, and then there was Kemuel who became the father of Aram; their other five sons were: Chesed, Hazo, Pildash, Jidlaph, and Bethuel, who became the father of Rebekah. 24 Nahor also had another wife. Her name was Reumah, and she had four sons: Tebah, Gaham, Tahash, and Maacah.1-2 When Sarah was one hundred twenty-seven years old, she died in Kiriath-Arba, better known as Hebron, in the land of Canaan. After Abraham had mourned for her, 3 he went to the Hittites and said, 4 “I live as a foreigner in your land, and I don't own any property where I can bury my wife. Please let me buy a piece of land.�
>>>A Wife for Isaac 24
>>>1 Abraham was now a very old man. The Lord had made him rich, and he was successful in everything he did. 2 One day, Abraham called in his most trusted servant and said to him, “Solemnly promise me 3 in the name of the Lord, who rules heaven and earth, that you won't choose a wife for my son Isaac from the people here in the land of Canaan. 4 Instead, go back to the land where I was born and find a wife for him from among my relatives.�25
>>>1 Abraham married Keturah, 2 and they had six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. 3 Later, Jokshan became the father of Sheba and Dedan, and when Dedan grew up, he had three sons: Asshurim, Letushim, and Leummim. 4 Midian also had five sons: Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abida, and Eldaah.
>>>5-6 While Abraham was still alive, he gave gifts to the sons of Hagar and Keturah. He also sent their sons to live in the east far from his son Isaac, and when Abraham died, he left everything to Isaac.
>>>The Death of Abraham 7-8 Abraham died at the ripe old age of one hundred seventy-five. 9-10 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him east of Hebron in Machpelah Cave that was part of the field Abraham had bought from Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite. Abraham was buried there beside his wife Sarah. 11 God blessed Isaac after this, and Isaac moved to a place called “The Well of the Living One Who Sees Me.� Interesting isn't it? So there we have the biblical definition of marriag: plural marriage then, divorce is no problem. Rape of daughters is preferred to rape of male visitors. These selfsame daughters "the only righteous people in the city" have then of course no qualms about raping their own dad. Regardless of the nearness of another town and the fact that Abe is only two days travel away. Supernatural beings are also available for marriage in the Bible, strange that Lot's daughters didn't know. And yes not only is the incest
immediately blessed with offspring and a profuse one at that, relatives are preferrable for marriage over others of course. Including marrying your own sister (half sister or not). No wonder Newt is such a philanderer if he follows the biblical definition of marriage. Now we understand why half the neocons are multiple divorcees. Do also note the obvious contradiction. I put it in bold. Both Sarah and Abraham have the audacity of disobeying god's decree by outliving his age restriction by seven and then by twentyfive years. What were they thinking? What is such an abomination again? Rev. Br. Marc
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