No dont apologize. I just didnt know. The SA in Seattle has helped a number of friends of mine in the past so i felt that volunteering was a bit of helping out. I do read the articles but due to my job in Alaska sometimes I might peruse a bit too quickly. From now on I will read all of them. No excuses on this end...btw...you are doing a great job and the pics are good too.
Thanks, Roger
Have a good holiday!!
Moderator: Roger, i have to apologize, that was awful of me. Not, the person i was. just not he salvation army i thought they were when i was a kid. The real salvation army exposed itself. They took us for our money and many of us did volunteer. Some of us stated we worked for them as well. Many knew of wrong doings. They are great for those that are ant-gay. They look so innocent in their outfits at christmas time. But openly turn their back as a organization if one openly practices homosexuuality. it is very sad. I get no pleasure of finding a shop or a charity that turns it back on gays. It only makes gay people angry and negative. It causes a lot of problems with in our community. ....jake
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From: Jake <jakewest_tn@yahoo.com>
To: Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Re: Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Hair Wars- boycott salvation army
Roger, sorry i jumped down you. But, so many articles were supplied to this group while you were a member.
You been a memver since 2008! This is Dec 2011, will be 2012, in a few days.
May i ask, do you read the articles?
A member did post a link for you: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/01/9143097-gay-groups-boycott-salvatio\
n-army-red-kettle-drive
This link has been posted a few times before, to include other articles. We had a lot of discussion as well.
The Salvation Army got it's ruling from the US Supreme Court that it may terminate Gay people. Case history! Salvation Army is a relgious organization and does not accept practicing gay poeple. Not local, but entire organization! Refuses to employ gay people, house and feed them - if they practice homosexuality. Is this clear enough? They expect gay epople to convert to non-practicing-former homosexuality. I guess we are suppose to go to Marcus Bachmann's clinic or commit suicide. Is this clear enough? We do know that gay people have been terminated, rejected, etc. After Katrina, gays were turned away. My money, as well as the money as listed by the entire LGBT community (not just this group) is not given to the Salvation Army. Therefore, calling the Salvation Army a wonderful charity is false. Perhaps if one is anti-gay - it is a wonderful organization.
Thanks for understanding the issue and please spread the word.
Sorry, if this hits home, or they emply some-one you know. Do not tell them you are gay if they do so.
This is not local. This is national and world wide. If your local chapter ignores this, remember, they still send funds to the national organization and it gets intnl. The entire organization is anti-gay and it is well documented. Perhaps the the number 1 most anti-gay charity in the world.
....jake
--- In Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com, roger lebel <mysticseaport@...> wrote:
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> Why is Salvation Army on this list? They are a pretty good organization that does alot of good for the communities that they are in.... If there was an incident was it isolated and not indicative of the entire organization? I need a better rationale for not giving to them (not just because they are on your list). One of the main reasons i give to them is that a vast majority of the money actually makes it to the people that need it. What exactly did they do to make it on you list? They rest of your list I have no problem with.....Â
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> Moderator: the fact that we discussed it in this group over 3 dozen times and you been in this group the whole time just displays you refuse to listen. Under the notion that we discussed it and you will not listen, suggest that you Googlle salvation army and gays. Salvayion army is being boycotted by entire LGBT commity and not just me, us. Salvation army has policy not to hire practicing gay pople nor feed practicing gay poeple, nopr shelter practicing gay people. That is not good enough for you? Than, I doubt anything you read, watch shall get throught to you. Oh is hannity on tonight? what is glenn becks schedule? ....jake
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> Manning being gay soldier key to defense in WikiLeaks case
> USA Today - Dec 18, 2011
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> >FORT MEADE, Md. (AP)Â - Lawyers for the Army private charged in the biggest leak of classified information in U.S. history say he was influenced by his struggles with being a gay soldier as protesters rallied this weekend in his support on both coasts.
> >
> >The military hearing continued Sunday to determine whether Pfc. Bradley Manning will stand trial at a court-martial for allegedly slipping a trove of government secrets to the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks while working as an intelligence analyst in Iraq in 2009 and 2010. The release included Iraq and Afghanistan war logs, State Department cables and a military video of a 2007 American helicopter attack in Iraq that killed 11 men.
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> >The Obama administration says the released information has threatened valuable military and diplomatic sources and strained America's relations with other governments. Manning's lawyers counter that much of the information that was classified by the Pentagon posed no risk.
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> >The hearing began Friday at Fort Meade outside Washington and could run several more days. The Army says it may take several more weeks for the commander of the Military District off Washington to decide whether Manning will be court-martialed.
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> >Maj. Gen. Michael Linnington may choose other courses, including administrative punishment or dismissal of the 22 counts against him, including aiding the enemy. He also could add more charges based on evidence produced at the hearing.
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> >Manning, who turned 24 Saturday, could face life in prison if convicted.
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> >More than 100 people gathered outside Fort Meade for a march in support of Manning on Saturday, some holding signs declaring "Americans have the right to know. Free Bradley Manning" and "Blowing the whistle on war crimes is not a crime." In San Francisco, hundreds marched through downtown Saturday, chanting "Free Bradley Manning" and holding up signs demanding his release.
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> >"Bradley Manning is my hero," said Scott Olsen, the Marine Corps veteran who was badly injured during a clash between police and Occupy Oakland protests in October and briefly addressed the crowd.
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> >Gwen Winter, 69, of Oakland, carried a sign that said, "Bradley Manning working class hero."
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> >"It's not only his right, it's his duty to expose war crimes," she said of Manning. "That's his duty to reveal the truth."
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> >Among the first issues to arise during weekend testimony was whether Manning's sexual orientation is relevant to the case against him. His attorneys maintained that his status as a homosexual in the military before the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" contributed to mental and emotional problems that should have barred him from having access to sensitive material.
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> >The defense revealed that Manning had written to one of his supervisors in Baghdad before his arrest, saying he was suffering from gender-identity disorder. He included a picture of himself dressed as a woman and talked about how it was affecting his ability to do his job and even think clearly.
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> >Maj. Matthew Kemkes, one of Manning's lawyers, asked Special Agent Toni Graham, an Army criminal investigator, whether she had talked to people who believed Manning was gay or found evidence among his belongings relating to gender-identity disorder. The condition often is described as a mental diagnosis in which people believe they were born the wrong sex.
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> >Graham said such questions were irrelevant to the investigation.
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> >"We already knew before we arrived that Pfc. Manning was a homosexual," Graham said.
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> >Prosecutors objected several times to the questions. Kemkes responded that if the government can argue that Manning intended to leak secrets, "what is going on in my client's mind is very important."
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> >During cross-examination of Treasury Department Special Agent Troy Bettencourt, who investigated the case, defense attorney Capt. Paul Bouchard asked if he believed Manning's military leaders failed him, given his behavior such as overturning a table and throwing a chair in episodes of rage.
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> >Bettencourt said that in hindsight, "I would like to think that had I been in the chain of command, I would have maybe done things differently. I would have been aware of everything we now know to prevent him from deploying â€" but that is with the benefit of hindsight."
> >
> >Prosecutor Capt. Joe Morrow quickly asked Bettencourt if he believes people who have signed nondisclosure agreements, like Manning, "have an individual responsibility to safeguard classified information." Bettencourt replied, "Yes."
> >
> >Special Agent Mark Mander, an Army computer crimes investigator, testified Saturday that he found an SD memory card containing classified information in a box of items belonging to Manning that was stored at his aunt Debra Van Alstyne's house in Potomac, Md. Mander didn't say what classified information was on the card.
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> >One of Manning's commanders in Baghdad, Capt. Steven Lim, said Manning should have had his security clearance suspended because of his problems. Lim said the outbursts occurred before he arrived, and that when he learned of them after Manning's arrest, he was shocked. Lim said he was also unaware that Manning believed he was suffering from gender-identity disorder.
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> >Manning's appearances over the last two days in the Fort Meade courtroom marked the first time he has been seen in public after 19 months in detention. The Oklahoma native comes to court in Army camouflage fatigues and wearing dark-rimmed glasses. Manning sat calmly in the courtroom Saturday without appearing to react to the testimony, even when centered on his troubled mental state and homosexuality. Manning listened intently and regularly took notes.
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> >The case has spawned an international support network of people who believe the U.S. government has gone too far in seeking to punish Manning.
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> ....Jakehttp://www.usatoday.com/news/military/story/2011-12-18/wikileaks-bradley-manning-gay-soldier/52044080/1Every gay and lesbian person who has been lucky enough to survive the turmoil ofgrowing up is a survivor. Survivors always have an obligation to those who will face the same challenges."Â
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> In 1776, representatives of the residents in thirteen North
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> and future actions, their grievances against King George III
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> other locations around this country. These peaceful groups have
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> elected office to return the government, its policies, laws,
> regulations, and justice to the ninety-nine percent that have
> the capacity to fuel the economy, generate jobs, mobilize society,
> and move forward but are starved of the resources to do so. They
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> As the colonial representatives knew two hundred thirty-five
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> sex, attribute, or characteristic. We treat one another with
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> free individuals.
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> The ninety-nine percent are held back by the actions and whims
> of the one percent. Witness the facts: the wealthy have steadily
> increased their share of the nation's wealth at the expense of
> the poor and middle classes; politicians have pledged to enact
> no taxes despite the necessity for revenues to meet the needs
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> corporations have been deemed persons with political rights,
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> elected officials have engaged the nation in lengthy, unwarranted
> wars that have sapped the economy, killed and harmed tens of
> thousands of people, and invoked ill feelings abroad; state
> legislators and governors have used the narrow tenets of religion
> as the sole basis for laws that restrict the exercise of
> fundamental human rights by all; politicians have set out
> arbitrary and selfish requirements prior to debate on issues
> that require negotiation and consensus; companies, business
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> limited benefit, squeezing out the common good; representatives
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> own self promotion; laws have been passed to address issues
> that do not actually exist and other laws have not been taken
> up that would address pressing concerns, all for partisan gain;
> the judiciary has become suspect of issuing opinions based on
> ideology and party affiliation rather than the law and common
> sense; financiers and investors have used the markets and banks
> with little oversight and adjustable scruples to speculate,
> profit, and gain without adding real value to the economy; many
> news media businesses have adopted clear ideological perspectives
> while continuing to claim the mantle of unbiased journalism; the
> United States Senate has adopted rules that require almost all
> legislation to find support from many more than half plus one
> members of the chamber, making a mockery of the idea of unlimited
> debate established by the nation's founders; and candidates for
> public office have created the endless election cycle in their
> quest to hold onto their offices once acquired.
>
> These are reasons for deep concern regarding the future of this
> nation. Their mitigation and elimination require substantial
> action. Citizens that have occupied Wall Street, Oakland, the
> tundra, Albany, and other places have taken the first step in
> calling attention to the plight of the ninety-nine percent and
> the power of the one percent. This petition is the next. We seek
> redress of our grievances from the government, the wealthy, and
> the corporations. We seek the resources to take action to correct
> the deficiencies that have arisen in this country. We seek the
> means to rebuild our communities and the support to fulfill our
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> We offer involvement in our cities, towns, and villages. We offer
> engagement with those that need. We offer ourselves to the
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>
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