From: Larry Jones <agonyofsoul@live.com>
To: peckers_pics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 2:43:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Peckers_Pics] Re: Pope Benedict
I truly apologize for even mentioning Pius XII as a comparison. Not only was my reference inaccurate (bowing to goldnheartbear's superior scholarship--perhaps he will tell us why Pius XII's condemnation was not made public during World War II), but it led me away from a much better comparison: the line of clearly top-class, beloved, futurist-thinking, and honored Popes who followed--John XXIII [the man who loved all of God's children], Paul VI [the man who reminded us that the essence of Our Savior is found in his teachings], John Paul I (at least in intention and preparation, since he died unexpectedly only one month into his reign)[the man who declared that Christ's Vicar must love equally God's children and the teachings He left for those children], and John Paul II [the man who declared that John Paul I's vision of Christ's will for His Church in the late 20th century and into the 21st century was essential to the wellbeing of both the Body and the Bride of Christ--and so he picked up that vision and carried it forth the rest of his long life--all capped by the former Cardinal Ratzinger, whose job is to lead as the Vicar of Christ's Church--the caretaker of Christ's Church, not its owner or even its pastor; a man who spurns the interest in the Community of Faith of 10% of earth's population while solving the problem of declining membership, declining vocations, and declining tithes by keeping all the gold, jewels, and pretty art works and juicing up the numbers "simply" by recombining the Coptic Christians, Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, American Catholic, and the Anglican Communion back into the original church from which it has been splintering for 2000 years. Well, it has the merit of promising to keep him thoroughly occupied with his business and not mine throughout his tenure.
Larry Jones
Civil Rights are Equal Rights: Like Liberty, they must be watched for, nurtured, and fought for continuously--or one day they are not civil, equal, or rights.--Larry W. Jones
Moderator: From this point on, we are terminating religious discussion. Further messages shall be deleted or rejected. This group is about mens health and progressive GLBT politics. If you want to diuscuss relgiion, please beginfg messaqging the members direct. A lot of us believe the religion is nonsense, fantasy and we want to be spared this waste of time....jake
To: Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com
From: goldnheartbear@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:14:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Re: Pope Benedict
Gentlemen, I am a historian.Pius XII was declared by the Jewish People RIGHTEOUS AMONG THE NATIONS which is a high honor. There is documentation that does show through diplomatic circles that he did everything possible to protest. Statistics show he was able to smuggle thousands of Jews out of Italy, and hide many others...A secret order was given to take Jews into convents, monasteries, etc and give them other identities . This communication was sent through out Europe. Madeline Albright and countless host of others were saved by that order. There was much said after the war, and Pius XII did much to help.
In a message dated 5/18/2010 3:57:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, agonyofsoul@live.com writes:
Butch (and all in the group), I am sorry that I wasn't more clear. I didn't mean that Pope Benedict does not speak of the Nazi attempted extermination of the entire world's Jews (although I don't know that he DOES, either). I meant that Pope Pius XII knew everything during World War II and refused to mention it or acknowledge that he knew it, during or even after the war. I do think Pope Benedict is a walking disaster, but it is Pope Pius XII that I think should have been dethroned: someone who does nothing to protest or stop evil that he knows about with hard proof is part of the evil, not just an innocent bystander.
I appreciate your comment--especially since it tells me that I need to let my messages cool a bit and reread them before firing them off. Thanks. Larry Jones
Civil Rights are Equal Rights: Like Liberty, they must be watched for, nurtured, and fought for continuously--or one day they are not civil, equal, or rights.--Larry W. Jones
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