I am simply stating that it seems when he makes the community mad he hands
us something. he did it when he defended DOMA in the courts. it's not my
fault he promised us the moon and is having a hard time delivering.
Moderator: I am not a lawyer; but, i am guessing you are not a lawyer as well. But, I have a BS in both biology and political science under a BS and BA as well as a medical degree on top of that. I look at a whole picture and look at all possibilities and scenarios. I calculate the ability to build a case and what the negatives and positives would be. If I was President Obama I would fight DOMA as well (yes, you read this correctly)... WHY? Cause if it is ruled in our favor, it will be brought to the US Supreme Court and a new precedent will be set that rules against all LGBT cases. I have some experience with this on the medical side of lawsuits. I have watch patient cases challenge big companies. I can name cases that made case history. The current US Supreme Court would rule against a LGBT case. WE might need 2 more gay friendly judges before we would want to introduce such a case. This shall take time as we can't force judges to retire and Democratic's do not have a filibuster proof Senate.
Now, to be constructive:
1. Obama gave rights to the LGBT community int eh diplomatic community. This places DOMA at risk as being unconstitutional.
2. Obama than gave Federal workers - LGBT friendly rights. This further
places DOMA at risk as being unconstitutional.
3. Obama is rushing through the end of DADT. IF DADT is reversed, than DOMA will be challenged.
r. Obama Signed the Hate Crime Bill. This shall lead to employee discrimation bill that is LGBT friendly. This bill would challenge the integrity of DADT and DOMA.
This is a pattern - whereas, President Obama is orchestrating a path to enforcing the end of DADT and DOMA. None of this is easy; but, President Obama is being meticulous and very fast in getting this done.
I guarantee you, no other president would ever achieve what he has achieved already. IT is a very complex scenario. Therefore, it is important for Obama to make sure that DOMA does not go to the US Supreme Court, as that will ruin our path by setting a negative precedent.
With all that the president has done by using logic, one has to question the motives of the people that do not support this president. President Obama's logic is so sensibly and calculated with intelligence in everything he does. Our pressure for him to keep plugging away has been positive. Our questioning his motives to help us really makes me think that people do not like him because of his color. Almost every article I read about Obama has racial tones. You don't see it? than you might go back to school and take a few courses on racial profiling. The republicans and teabag party are loading us codes what are racially charged. Even a lot of members in the gay community who are lawyers are prejudiced and out for themselves and not the gay community. Have you ever been a member on the board of directors of a gay organization? It is like a mafia. You will see lawyers of people that own gay bath houses and bars on such organizations. They are not out to help you. They were against anything that would help prevent the spread of aids. THEY PLACED THE RIGHTS OF A BATH-HOUSE AS BEING MORE IMPORTANT THAN GAY RIGHTS. ....Jake
PS. over 70 % of people now watch FOX NEWS, or read Wall Street Journal. Both owned by Rupert Murdock who is anti-black; anti-jewish; anti-gay. These people get coded messages on daily basis. Yes, i believe that Americans are being racially charged by the cr-p on FOX. Look at Immigration reform and Mexicans? It is out-right bigotry. 1st gays were the new black. now mexicans are the new black. What we going to do, set up prison camps for minorities? Isn't that what Hitler did to the Jews? So, yes, I think people have a lot of bigotry in them and do not know it. How logical does Obama need to be in order for people to get it? 1st they claim he is a socialist. They dont want him to interfere with private companies. Now they say eh should nationalize BP. The GOP is using mixed messages. But, every story has a code to remind us of Obama's color. Glen Beck mimmicking Obama's daughter and asking Obama "why he hates blacks" was not sick? Why didn't you sir say something about that story? why have the other members not reacted? Because most of us have hate embedded into us. No onhe in my neighborhood will talk to me. Why? cause I had a Obama sign on my lawn. They rather have the old dementia rideen man (mCCain) and the nuclear bomb happy, drill baby drill Palin. Yes, those were the biggest idiots ever to run for office. They rather have him over a black man wiht logic and a high IQ. We need tothink before we act. Not every organization that is gay is on your side. In fact, most epople were against the challenge to ending Prop 8 as it will ebd up goign to US Supreme Court before Obama is able to get 2 more judges to retire. You dont want nagitive ruling against the LGBT community by the US Supreme Court,. It will stick, and congress will use it as a guide and not act.
In a message dated 6/2/2010 9:56:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ifctv1@aol.com writes:
love the pics!!
ps: does anyone question the timing of the President's latest move??
everytime we get close to the finish line, but not over it it seems
like a new "right" is given to us. was it in the works or is it because
he was a no show (until the end) on DADT and groups are calling him out
on it? what do you guys think?
Moderator: I believe that the president supports gay rights and planned
end of DADT and DOMA from beginning. However, I believe our pressure (such as
you will see in our Obama group) places a lot of pressure on the president
to hurry up. Now you complain when he acts? If he doesn't act we complain
and when he does act, we complain? Makes no sense. Is it because he is
black? No-One gives this man a break for anything. They tell him to drill,
not to drill, not to nationize BP, than to nationalize BP. Am serious, i
believe he is attacked no matter what he does. And, serious, it appears
racial, because this president has a lot of sense. Bush had no brains and
never caught this much flack. ....jake
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