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Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Feb 23, 2012-Chris Christie is wrong on Obama and gay marriage

I live in NJ. I heard on the local radio station him saying,
"I can't wait to veto this so we can get on to more important issues."
Well, it is not going away. If you wanted the whole issue to go away
you would have signed the bill. Now the legislature is going to spend
a lot of time trying to override your veto.

He's a coward and a snake. He's big on no new taxes but he let the
tolls on our roads increase by 50%. That's a tax.

He pissed a lot of folks off with his half mast flags for Whitney. His
conservative base got pretty riled up. So he's eroding support from
what was his base.




-------Original Message-------

From: Warren Field
Date: 2/24/2012 10:37:19 AM
To: Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Feb
23, 2012-Chris Christie is wrong on Obama and gay marriage


Imagine, if you will, if - instead of signing the landmark Civil Rights Act
of 1964 - LBJ had vetoed it and put civil rights up for a national
referendum. What do you think would have happened? The whole point of the
importance of passing the legislation was to ensure that civil rights for
ALL Americans was guaranteed - not left up to popular opinion or personal
preference. Congress' passing the bill and LBJ's singing the bill was the
right thing to do - even if many in the South were still opposed to it.
Because equal rights are guaranteed under our Constitution for all - not
just for select groups of Americans.


And the same thing is true here. Mr. Capehart is absolutely correct -
Christie's actions were shameful and, I think, bigoted and cowardly. I can
only hope that - since the New Jersey legislature has until January 2013 to
override Christie's veto, that they can, over the next 11 months, muster
enough votes to override it.


Warren

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Chris Christie is wrong on Obama and gay marriage
By Jonathan Capehart / Washington Post / Feb 23, 2012

Gov. Chris Christie (R-N.J.) and I got into a rather animated discussion on
Morning Joe" today about the "courage" he displayed on the issue of same-sex
marriage in New Jersey. You may recall that when the duly elected
representatives of the people of the Garden State voted to approve marriage
equality last week, Christie vetoed the bill and then said he would put the
civil rights of gay men and lesbians up for a referendum. That's not courage
That's shameful.

I was sitting off-set scribbling my earlier piece on Rick Santorum when I
heard Christie, who supports civil unions, say, "I have the exact same
position as the president." And he agreed with host Joe Scarborough's
assessment that he is called a bigot and President Obama is called
enlightened simply because Christie is a Republican. "[T]he Democrats in my
state are criticizing me, saying my feet are firmly planted on the wrong
side of justice. I said yesterday, 'Yeah, my feet are firmly planted right
next to President Obama.' And they don't criticize him." Scarborough and
co-host Mika Brzezinski, seeing me tear my hair out (metaphorically
speaking), then brought me into the conversation.

Christie has a point. He and Obama both support civil unions. But there are
several reasons Obama isn't criticized as much as Christie.

Yes, Obama is in favor of civil unions. And he has caught hell from the gay
community for saying repeatedly that his position on same-sex marriage is
evolving." Heck, The Post and the New York Times have urged the president to
evolve already. But let me point out the differences between Obama and
Christie and why Christie fails to meet his own "courage" test.

The state legislature handed Christie a bill that would have made New Jersey
the eighth state in the nation to legalize same-sex marriage. He had the
opportunity right then and there to show true courage and leadership by
signing it into law. Instead, he punted. Obama has had no such opportunity
to affix his signature to such historic legislation. Saying flat-out "I'm
for gay marriage" would be high on symbolism and moral persuasion. But it
would be low on real impact. Instead, the president has taken real actions
that fly in the face of Christie's criticism.

The Obama administration declared a year ago today that it viewed the
so-called Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) to be unconstitutional and
therefore would no longer defend it in court. Obama has vocally supported
the state-by-state efforts to allow gay and lesbian couples to enjoy the
rights and responsibilities that come with marriage. And he has even thrown
his support behind S.598. That's the Respect for Marriage Act sponsored by
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) that would repeal DOMA.

In short, the president is using whatever power he has to do right by gay
men and lesbian couples who want to marry. Remember, this is a democracy,
not a monarchy or a dictatorship, despite what you hear from some in the
Republican Party. If Congress were to put the Feinstein bill on Obama's desk
he'd sign it. If only Christie had had the courage to show true leadership
when a marriage-equality bill was sitting right in front of him last week.

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