Sunday, December 11, 2011

Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS There will be no future pics posted until we have 200 signatures on petition!





I will be glad to support this petition as I have supported hundreds of petitions on Change.org . . . but first I need to know what exactly is being suggested in somewhat specific terms.

I have searched, read and re-read . . . I cannot find the SPECIFICS of the "Proposed Petition of Redress and Pledge of Action" . . . that are referenced on the petition site (text copied below). .
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Why This Is Important

As the Occupy movement has demonstrated, the United States of America has reached a crossroads where the economy and civic culture are hamstrung and strained by disparities. However, the Occupy movement has failed to reach out beyond the urban parks to seek the agreement of the ninety-nine percent with the principles, grievances, remedies, and action the occupiers have illuminated. The consent of the governed is necessary in order to lay the foundations for the change that is needed to reduce the disparities and place the country on the path to progress.


Proposed Petition

Howdy,

I researched and wrote on political change movements for years as an undergraduate and graduate student at Johns Hopkins University and taught political science at several colleges before some life events moved me on a different path. I also have a law degree from Case Western Reserve University. I have continued to read, observe and think about political change over the years.

I went back to the classroom this fall to teach political science for the first time since 1991. The five teenagers in my course discussed OWS with me in early November. We came to the conclusion that the occupiers had begun to tread water. They were continuing to produce documents from their General Assemblies listing grievances and citing principles. They called for more action that would get the attention of the government, the wealthy and the corporations. These were things they already had done successfully. They were going to do them again. Well-known people like Michael Moore have since proposed further action that look like the exact same things the Occupy movement already has done. Occupy D.C. spent a month working on a Declaration that says what already had been said.

They are not leaving the parks. They are not speaking to others except for some media. They are not doing anything other than thinking of variations of the theme of occupying places. They are not accomplishing anything more than what they already have accomplished.

I wrote the Proposed Petition of Redress and Pledge of Action on November 8, 2011. The document sets forth (Where is this document?) the sweep of history that has led our country to this point and the principles upon which the Occupy movement has based its actions. It states in moderate, objective tones the grievances that the occupiers have spelled out in resentful, angry words and seeks the same redress the movement has sought, using broad strokes rather than specific demands. Last, the text describes (Where is the text?) what those who signal their agreement to the Proposed Petition offer in exchange, a willingness to once again become engaged, thoughtful citizens of the republic.

The Proposed Petition contains the same ideas the occupiers, Elizabeth Warren, President Obama, and many others are talking about as the areas in which our country must seek change. The difference is that the Proposed Petition is intended to be presented to the ninety-nine percent one by one to ask their consent for that change. I am asking for the same horizontal decisionmaking that OWS uses, just not in the snow globe environment of the encampments but rather the wider world. I am asking that the energy being used now to continue the occupations and tread water should be used by the occupiers to reach out to the ninety-nine percent, get the ninety-nine percent to signal that they understand what has happened as a result of OWS, and ask the ninety-nine percent whether they agree, yes or no, with the principles, grievances, redress sought and action needed that the occupiers identified. (Where are these specifics?)

Hugh Kevin "Bear" McNeelege aka ruffbear7 aka Mao Kaiwen


ALSO . . . WHO IS BEING PETITIONED?

The text urges OWS to take action . . . BUT . . . the Petition site says the Petition is directed to elected officials

Petitioning
  1. The President of the United States (+ 5 others)
    Petitioning
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    • The President of the United States
    • The U.S. Senate  Are you going to deliver copies fo the petitions to each of the 100 Senators?
    • The U.S. House of Representatives   Are you going to deliver copies of the petitions to each of the 435 Representatives?
    • The Governor of NY   Why just him?
    • Rep. Paul Tonko (NY-21)  Why just him?
    • The federal government, corporations, and wealthiest one percent (c/o Occupy Wall Street)  Where do you deliver the petitions to these people

I'm not trying to be a difficult pain in the ass . . . but the information online is unclear . . . and that is likely why signatures have been slow in being added.

Also, this needs to be put on Facebook . . . a place where well engineered efforts develop legs and gain speed.  On Facebook or with Facebook distribution as part of the strategy, petitions get signatures that reach into five and six figures.  Twitter works well to but I'm not as familiar with Twitter strategies as I am with those for Facebook.

Thanks for any clarification you can provide.

Mark



On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Jake <jakewest_tn@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

There will be no future pics posted until we have 200 signatures on petition! So, So Sorry. But, I am working hard, begging guys to sign and all i got in 6 yrs are 16 signatures.  Well I need 200 signatures within 24 hoursnd this is not good so far.  With all honesty, i9 would think we could get 1000 signatures. 

Therefore, no more games. Sign the perition on Change . org (it has place to not make your signature public and i know they do not release info.  So sign it. It is our main project right now. Mw need this for pres. Obama and wew feel it is our best course to stop a distraction and to get him re-elected. 

Sign the petition by Bear for the 99% at:

https://www.change.org/petitions/the-proposed-petition-for-redress-and-pledge-of-action

.....Jake

One little favor, please join our Occupy Wall Street group and discuss the Petition @

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Occupy_Wall_Street/join

 

Every one sign the petition you and I promise you better pics than ever than ever before. 




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