Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Jun 22, 2011-Countdown w/Keith Olbermann-Current TV (M-F) 8PM EST

Thank you Warren! I really appreciate your exceptional articulation of those of us that are gay, but married women at an earlier age, did so under certain circumstances at that time! Although I grew up in the 70's & 80's, & Certainly know that you had even a worse scenario than I did in my era, at the same time, I too had very similar circumstances, regarding a conservative, religious, family & environment etc... Thank you for sharing your personal story! You did a much better job at articulating, what I tried articulating, in my earlier post replying to the same question from a member! I'm glad you are now at a peaceful place in your life! Marki ;-) Sent from "Marki's" Android O.S. 2.4 LG Optimus (Smartphone).

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From: Warren Field <warrenfield1@mac.com>;
To: <Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Jun 22, 2011-Countdown w/Keith Olbermann-Current TV (M-F) 8PM EST
Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2011 6:06:28 PM

And for those of us who grew up in a time (50's and 60's) when understanding your own sexuality was extremely complicated because there was NO ONE you could talk to about how you felt different, getting married to a woman and having children was an expected choice. I didn't understand myself at all and being married just made things harder over the years. While having sex fantasizing about other people was par for the course for me, I really did love the woman I married - and still do...33 years later (divorced 6 years). Just not in a sexual way now that I understand my own sexuality. I have 2 sons - now nearly 26 and 23 and I would not trade them for anything in the world.  If it was a different world in the 50's and 60's and I knew then what I know now, I have no idea what I would have done or the choices I would have made. But I cannot criticize the person I was then because I know the conditions under which I lived. I grew up in a very conservative republican area (New Hampshire) and I came from a very religious family. I didn't have a lot of options. People from later generations I know have a hard time understanding this but that was the world I lived in. Warren On Jun 26, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Greg wrote:   I am curious to know how a gay man can get a woman pregnant. I don't think I could do that if I tried. If I could, that would make being a closeted gay so much easier ... Just sayin' .... Anybody else have thoughts on this? *greg Moderator: Greg.. Guys are being honest and telling us about themselves. Lets make this simple. Ever turn out the lights and think about someone else? Add a drink or 2 and let your imagination go. ......jake ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Tillman To: Peckers_Pics Yahoo Group ; sresolvert@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Jun 22, 2011-Countdown w/Keith Olbermann-Current TV (M-F) 8PM EST Hello there Stephen! :-) WOW! As a father of 1 daughter, 17yrs old until 2.5 weeks from now (July 3rd).....but thinks she's going on 21....LOL! My hat definitely goes off to you!! Being a "stay at home" dad or mom, is a lot harder than one may think, especially until an individual tries actually doing it full time, everyday, without breaks (or very few breaks), and on and on it goes, never stopping, and THAT you know! LOL! My partner and I have raised my daughter since she was 11yrs old. She had primarily lived with my ex wife, up until the age of 11. Yes, I am gay..... Always have been and always knew that I liked boys growing up! Once I hit puberty, I then understood exactly what it all meant, and very quickly progressed from just liking boys, to frothing at the mouth over guys.... which then turned into going gaga over men! Long story short, because of my family upbringing, "outing" myself during my teen years was absolutely, positively, NOT an option! Unfortunately, my own fears of family and friends suspecting anything of the sort, would have been literally catastrophic to me in my case!! Even though I was certain of my sexual orientation, especially by High School, fear is what kept me "closeted" to everyone except a few friends! At university, I gave in and got married (to a woman), after being severely pressured! Our marriage lasted 5 years, but she got pregnant after only 6 months of being married! It was definitely a huge shock to me!! I didn't want children until about 30yrs old, after university, and I was settled in my career! She was very aware of my wishes! We both had Mutual gay friends, but she suspected that I was gay and constantly tried getting it out of me or from questioning our mutual gay friends! Since she could see that our marriage was deteriorating at a rapid pace, unbeknownst to me....she quit taking her birth control pills and started poking pinholes in my condoms, hoping that she would get pregnant, thus saving our marriage! Pretty shitty if you ask me! She ended up pregnant very quickly, as you might imagine! Needless to say, after finding out her devious acts, I decided to "come out" to her & my family. Although we were going to be divorced in a couple of year's, after finding out she was pregnant, I never chose to abandon my responsibility of being a father! Since we both had equal joint custody, but my ex labeled as "primary", once we were divorced a few years later, I spent as much time with my daughter as physically possible! I tell you this because, for quite a few years after she was born and after our divorce a few years later, our scheduals were very tight! Finishing up university and then completing medical school, while also taking turns watching and caring for our daughter, was like having 3 full time jobs...school, my actual paid job, and switching back and forth each week as to who was responsible for taking care of our baby daughter Sent from "Marki's" Android O.S. 2.4 LG Optimus (Smartphone).

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