Hi Jay, I enjoyed your message, minus the the repeated love for Jesus. We have not questioned you on that, so why must you say it. It is not acceptable at a workplace, nor is it acceptable in a group that states "no religious discussion." It simply was not required. Most of us do understand what religion is and what Christianity is based on. No one is questioning your belief, so you should not be forcing it on us with repeated statements in your belief in Jesus. Again, to be clear, this is not a bible group.
Your wife had a addictive personality. She chose to marry a gay/bi man. Why would she do that to herself? Perhaps, being married to a gay/bi man did not satisfy her. Than she hastily leaves her children. I find her actions to be extreme on all fronts. Rarely have I encountered a woman who marries a openly gay/bi man to be one who is stable. Such a relationship is more of friendship and less of sexual connectivity. This is not a healthy marriage and therefore, she had severe problems. She was trapped in a unhealthy marriage.
You Failed and your church failed to help your wife. She still does alcohol, drugs. Was the church even medically trained to deal with this? Did you eradicate her from the LDS Church as the LDS Church did to the openly gay man? And why does the LDS Church tolerate you going to leather bars, looking at male pics, discussing sex, etc? Those leather bars often have back rooms.
Perhaps both you and the LDS are not being honest with yourselves. Perhaps you are a large donor.
The gay man who was thrown out of the LDS church committed suicide because of this separation. I have to say, you due seem to lack compassion and the church lacked such compassion as well. Kicking someone out of a religious group is like firing someone. Only, this was more hateful as the church was prejudiced towards one who is gay. Disd them bully him by making this public? Did they bully him with threats about his homosexuality? Perhaps, there is a financial liabilty as a legal hate crime in this episode. We have laws to protect, stop discrimination. The LDS does not pay taxes. But, the LDS IS HATEFUL AS IT DOES NOT TOLERATE HOMOSEXUALITY. tHEY EVEN THREW OFF 2 GAY MEN FOR KISSING OFF THE COURTYARD BY THE LDS CHURCH. I have photos of hero couples kissing in the same place. Is kissing sex? I think what you may do in a leather bar should exclude you from the LDS if the LDS maintains its rules and fails to evolve.
You agree, we may be born with a sexual identity. So why are we not worth-while to be part of the afterlife that you are so excited about. If the after-life excludes homosexuals, than it is limited to a select few? Republicans?
If the man who committed suicide was kicked out of the LDS church, than it is believed he will not be joining his family who are members of LDS in the after-life? Where do you send the gay people? To hell? Is this why gays died of Aids according to the LDS?
This saddens me just as the Republican audience Booed a Gay US ARMY soldier in Iraq (on Live TV) during the Republican debate this week. 9 cowardly politicians on stage - to include 2 Mormon LDS men - and they did not get upset with the booing at our soldier? How shameful. Can you imagine what the soldier felt after being booed? I am offended that speak so wonderfully of the LDS; but 2 of your members cared less "at that time" about the booing. They had to be told what to say and how to react after the debate.
All 9 of those politicians are Christian, with 2 of the 9 being Christians of the LDS. Well as stated by a member "The only religion should be one of kindness." I fail to see the kindness by the LDS as well as the LDS politicians on the GOP stage, as well as the republican party. A man commits suicide because he is gay and the LDS doe snot allow one to be gay. But, you are gay and accepted? A double standard here. A gay Soldier in a war zone is Booed by Americans? That is kindness? Not at all.
It is your choice not to have sex. But, I fail to believe what you say. Perhaps you are older and can not perform. Perhaps you have physical conditions that limit your interest. Perhaps your fear of HIV made you abstain. I wonder if you have seek-ed Psychological help? If the answer is no, than the church failed you as your are a victim of a a person who is a alcoholic. You have heard of Al-Anon?
Yes, you may be a good father and that is a responsibility of a parent (parents). You bring a child into the world and there fore you are responsible. Plain and simple.
I want you to enjoy the group. I want you and everyone to learn from the group. If I never had pics of men, would you ever have read articles about LGBT community?
I am sorry for your gay friends who died of Aids. Did your LDS church as well as you make them quilts? if so, please post them on flickr and i would be happy to feature them. If you notice, all my regular posts include a different Aids Quilt. Further, i have been sending wonderful articles as we may be approaching a cure that no longer would require a person to take medication to control HIV. No one has commented. I am baffled.
....Jake
In Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com, Jay Crenshaw <tightend56@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jake,
> Thanks for your interesting and thought provoking email.
> First; I am LDS. I joined the LDS Church 20 years ago. I was married at that
> time and chaste. When I make a commitment I keep it. I had been very sexually
> active before my marriage with both men and women. I am sexually excited by both
> to this day, both the hardness of a man and the softness of a woman.
>
> My personal relationship with the Savior Jesus Christ [in my mind] , with which
> I had long before I became LDS, led me to the Mormon faith. My wife and I had
> three daughters, and she was battling her demons of booze and 'coke'. She said
> that joining the LDS Church would strengthen her ability to fight off those
> weaknesses. As I am certain you know, being LDS means no tobacco, booze, coffee,
> tea, or illegal drugs. Within a three years she was back at it. The assistance I
> had from the church with positive role models and the outpouring of love that I
> felt at that time were immense. About 11 years ago my wife decided she did not
> want to be married, and a few weeks later decided she didn't want to be a
> mother. We had a nasty divorce [$140K in lawyers, that's who we should
> boycott!]. I ended up with sole custody of my girls.
>
> Now it has been 11 years without sex [yes it can be done] I have put two
> daughters and one son-in law through collage and my youngest is in her sophomore
> year [of collage].
> I am 55, and I was reared a "Kansas Republican" [in case you didn't know that
> use to mean that one was to vote for the candidate, not the party, be fiscally
> conservative [neither party is this], and socially liberal passing judgment on
> no one [I never heard any racists comments from any of my family, Grandparents
> included, they were all born in the 19th century].My parents and wife all knew
> of my sexual preferences. It is a part of who I am, but just as I avoid
> chocolate cake every day I now avoid sex, finding that my own weaknesses are
> better managed alone [I can't kiss any man or woman without 'falling in love'].
>
> As to the LDS Church not 'evolving' to accept gay people there is a wonderful
> article on accepting your sexuality and living a chaste life and being active at
> church. I can't find it, but will send you the link when I do.
>
> The hope and faith of something better on the other side of death is in fact
> very comforting. I am very uncomfortable that people force their beliefs, or
> lack there of on others. As an American our entire system of government and the
> very foundation of the freedoms we have is based upon the knowledge of a
> 'creator' which is more powerful than mankind. More importantly it was to
> protect the rights of all to choose how and if they would worship that being. I
> choose to believe that God is our Heavenly Father and Jesus, our guide and
> Savior. I will happily discuss that with anyone at any time, and also lay down
> my life to insure that those who disagree with me can state and hold their
> opinions. I respect your beliefs, and find them very interesting.
>
> As to the choice of sexual preference, that is a massive question. In the world
> I grew up in no one would 'choose' to be gay/bi/ or anything but heterosexual. I
> have lost so many friends to AIDSÂ I cannot even count, and yet I remain to this
> day HIV-. So no, I believe that sexual preference is not chosen, but a part of
> who each of us are. I also believe that truth does not change. All [in my mind]
> are judged at the last day based upon what we knew, how we treated each other
> and what we intended. Mercy will be a greater help to us then than justice.
>
> The one thing that does concern me is the general lack of compassion in the LGBT
> community for people that think and act differently. As a man I hear so many
> derogatory remarks about even other gay men and their fetishes. I personally
> have a boot fetish, and so I do spend time in the "leather bars" to be with men
> who share the same fetish. The negative comments about effeminate men or 'drag
> queens' is horrific.
> In the end I did not intend my post to ignite a storm about religion. I intended
> it to be supportative of everyone's ability to be themselves. Please forgive the
> distraction.
>
> In Peace and Love,
> Jay
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jake jakewest_tn@...
> To: Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, September 24, 2011 4:14:07 PM
> Subject: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Re: Hair Wars-Sep 24,
> 2011-Boycott Georgia for Execution of TROY DAVIS
>
> Â
> Hi Jay;
> Are you LDS? I don't like starting a religious discussion as some one shall get
> offended. Further, This is not abible group. Therefore, caution to other members
> who comment (and you know who I am refering too, do not make go beyond what I
> have stated). I only requested a simple answer to the LDS question! Next, is
> not one really born into a faith/church? I doubt many would chose the same
> faith if they had no parents, or a relgious preference. Perhaps, some do not
> believe in a higher power. But, when you grow up with-in a religion, you
> respect it. But, that religion needs to respect you in return. The child did
> not know he was gay. Later, as he got older, he found out he was gay. Not acting
> upon what you are is mentally unhealthy. Being rejected by ones church is like
> being rejected by ones family.
> Hence, the person evolved; but, the church itself did not evolve. The church
> once allowed polygamy. So why has it not evolved to allow someone to be gay?
> Further, the bible states the world is flat and we came from Adam and Eve. I
> despute these facts. Do we leave a church over these facts? Would the church
> reject members who learned the world is round, and we are not the center of a
> infinite universe?
>
> Well, the bible has flaws. The old testament is not inline with theÂ
> politically influenced 2ND testament presented. Also, sometimes we evolve for
> better as well as worst.  One day God thinks one thing and the next day God
> thinks something else? Or, God's words are really not written and a religious
> philosopher influenced by political church's, kings - wrote it? You must know
> history and have seen than history if often re-written to apease the rulers of
> the land. Â
>
> You say you are BI? What makes you think you are BI? Is it a rejection that
> you may be gay? But, BI, sounds better? What is your age? Are you single?
> Married to a woman? I would like to know more.
> I know this must be difficult for you. And you been brought up that the church
> comes 1st. You may believe that the church is perfect. But, you know deep down,
> that nothing in life is perfect. I knwo if you say the LDS is not correct, you
> will be disgarded. That places one in a dishonest position.Â
>
> One never chooses to be gay. Why would someone choose to be something that
> everyone rejects. Perhpas, there is a gene that determines if we are heteroxusal
> or homosexual?Â
>
> Imagine how depressed this person was being a homosexual and his church turned
> on him, rather than keep quiet, or allow him to continue. He killed himself
> over this. What did we do as a society to prevent this incident? We ffailed.
> You failed. The LDS failed.
>
> At one time, the pope was allowed to get married. Than later, the pope had to be
> single. And, like polygamy, the church evolve. Again, sometimes one evolves for
> better or worst. Â
>
> Now, about boycotts. Yes, there are times when we must work with a organization
> to change it. But, if it does not change, one needs to walk away. To give the
> company, state, etc... money would be dollars used to hurt us later on. For
> instance, there was Muslims who gave money to terrorist organizations. They
> later learned the money was used to kill Jews, Christians. Many of those
> Muslims, decided to boycott that organization, rather than continue to give it
> money. Well, we are doing the same thing. Most boycotts take time. People get
> to learn the whole story and than they realize they were taken by corporations,
> politicians that really do not protect them.
>
> Glad you enjoy the group. Please give people sympathy and understanding if they
> learn they are gay. And, it is totally unhealthy on a mental and physical level
> to abstain from sexual relations. Always be honest with one-self.
>
> ....Jake/ Moderator
>
> --- In Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com, Jay Crenshaw tightend56@ wrote:
> >
> > Regarding Brother Bryan Egnew of the LDS faith and the tragedy of his untimely
>
> > death: It is true that the LDS faith teaches that the only 'Divine Institution'
> >
> > on the earth is the family [think about it it is pretty cool].
> > I am a bi-sexual [I have enjoyed both] Mormon that serves in my church. The law
> >
> > we follow is the law of Chastity, not celibacy. Chastity is the exclusion of
> >sex
> >
> > with anyone [heterosexual too]outside of a legal and lawful marriage. The LDS
> > Church has defined marriage as "between one man and one woman" [quite a long
> > trip from the polygamy days] .
> > No on has to join the LDS Church. His wife, and family have not acted in a
> >very
> >
> > Christian manor. In the eyes of the LDS Church leadership, however, it is
> >better
> >
> > to be released from the covenants made in this life [in the Temple]rather that
>
> > to violate them and be held to those standards. Excommunication is an act of
> > mercy in the eyes of the Church. That can be debated all day long.
> > My point is this, you are so correct that we must be honest with ourselves and
>
> > others, and not accept judgment from others. As members of the LBGT community
> >we
> >
> > must show twice the tolerance of other peoples views. If we are more judgmental
> >
> > than others, then we become greater hypocrites.
> > Perhaps, instead of Boycotts, if we let the companies and individuals know how
>
> > much it distresses us to be considered 'less than' we can make a bigger
> >impact.
> >
> >  ÂÂ
> > I enjoy you sites, because I have chosen to live a life of "chastity". I am not
> >
> > tempted, but can enjoy the site of shirtless men.
> > in Christ,
> > Jay
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jake jakewest_tn@
> > To: Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, September 23, 2011 12:38:37 PM
> > Subject: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Hair Wars-Sep 24,
> > 2011-Boycott Georgia for Execution of TROY DAVIS
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > Hair Wars-PICS-Health-News-Sep 24, 2011-
> > "NO" Religious Discussion / Safe PICS For All Ages/
> > Boycott Trump-TARGET-FOX NEWS/Murdoch-Salvation Army
> > Support Keith Olbermann's show "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" - new on
> > "CURRENT TV" (air's nightly @ 8 PM EST (Mon - Fri). About time - as we need
> > progressive un-censored news! Replays at 11 PM Eastern and 2 AM Eastern.
> >
> > Alert: Target + Minnesota Forward + Tom Emmer = Support for a rather dangerous
>
> > and radical political philosophy that diminishes LGBT people to pests that
> > should be murdered. And "Target" is cool with this? In San Diego LGBT community
> >
> > peacefully canvassed customers near their stores. In return, TARGET is suing
> >the
> >
> > LGBT community for voicing our right of FREE SPEECH! Update: Target lost in
> > court! David beat Goliath! What should you do? Return everything you bought to
>
> > TARGET and tell them why! ....Boycott TARGET!!!!! Boycott Georgia for Execution
> >
> > of Troy Davis @ 11:08 EST, Sep 21, 2011:
> >
> > Former US President and Former GA Gov. Jimmy Carter did not believe that TROY
> > DAVIS was guilty.
> >
> > >The Former Director of the FBI feels that TROY DAVIS Was Not Guilty! Do not
> > >drive through Goergia as it is dangerous. Do not fly via Atlanta. Do not
> >travel
> >
> > >to GA. TELL YOUR COMPANY NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN A CONVENTION IN GA! Georgia
> > >Executes Innocent People!
> > >
> > Consider joining:
> > Diet & Fitness:
> > * Reminder: Did you complete your Diet Journal today?
> > * Did you do any physical activity? If not, make a point of it by tomorrow!
> > * Perhaps our male fitness photos shall inspire you to get Fit!
> > Health - Wellness - Exercise - Reflections:
> > >I Have Bedbugs -- Now What?
> > >>Michael Colongione - Huffington Post - Sep 23, 2011
> > >>
> > >>Everyone is quick to call up a pest control professional and ask the
> >question,
> >
> > >>"When can you be here? I have bedbugs!" When the question really should be,
> >"How
> >
> > >>do I prepare before you come and treat my home?"
> > >>
> > >>Prior to a pest control company coming to treat your home, preparing for it
> >is
> >
> > >>just as important as the actual treatment. In celebrating Bedbug Awareness
> > >>Month, we thought this was one of the most important topics to educate people
> >
> > >>about.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Let's face it -- having bedbugs is stressful. It's the last thing you expect
> >and
> >
> > >>the last thing you need. So after you have had your bedbug dog inspection and
> >
> > >>have made the choice as to who you are going to partner with to eradicate the
> >
> > >>bedbugs, what do you do? Well, cost is something we all have on our minds.
> >So, I
> >
> > >>bring up the old adage: "Do it right the first time so you don't have to do
> >it
> >
> > >>again." Preparing your home for a pest control company may seem daunting, but
> >it
> >
> > >>will save you money and stress in the long run. Here are some things to keep
> >in
> >
> > >>mind prior to treatment:
> > >>
> > >>1. Clear All Clutter. Discard all papers, newspapers, magazines and anything
>
> > >>that you might not need. Throw away in thick garbage bags and seal tightly.
> > >>
> > >>2. Empty Closets Where Treatment Will Be Applied. If bedbug dogs have
> >pinpointed
> >
> > >>where your problem is, you'll minimize the clothing you will have to wash. In
> >
> > >>the rooms that will be treated, remove all clothing from the closets, place
> >them
> >
> > >>in thick garbage bags and close tightly.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>3. Leave Your Clothing -- For Awhile. Leave your clothing in bags for the
> > >>duration of the treatment and for some time after. Your pest control company
> >can
> >
> > >>advise for how long. Don't worry, you can still take items out, just make
> >sure
> >
> > >>you wash and dry them thoroughly prior to placing them back in the bags. Most
> >
> > >>pest control companies use residual products that last after they have left.
> >You
> >
> > >>don't want to put clothing back until you are certain the bedbugs are gone
> >for
> >
> > >>good.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>4. Strip Everything. This includes your bed, box spring and cleaning out
> > >>anything that might be under your bed.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>5. Clean Out Your Shelves. Take anything from books to items on shelves that
> >are
> >
> > >>in the room and place them in boxes. The pest control company should be able
> >to
> >
> > >>treat them.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>6. Remove Outlet And Light Switch Covers. Check beforehand if the pest
> >control
> >
> > >>company supplies this service.ÂÂ
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>7. Check All Filing Cabinets. Take a good look inside. The best advice is
> >to
> >
> > >>remove items and have the cabinets treated too.
> > >>
> > >>8. Pull Your Bed Frame From The Wall. About three to five inches away should
>
> > >>suffice.
> > >>
> > >>9. Wash And Dry All Window Dressings. Like your clothes, place these in thick
> >
> > >>garbage bags and seal tightly until the treatment is over.
> > >>
> > >>Remember, many pest control companies have their own list of preparation
> >steps
> >
> > >>that you should take prior to them treating your home. As a rule of thumb, if
> >
> > >>you call a company and they don't require preparation, I would question if
> >you
> >
> > >>want to do business with them. Most bedbug eradication techniques currently
> >on
> >
> > >>the market require preparation steps taken prior to treatment.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Something else to keep in mind -- depending on the level of infestation in
> >your
> >
> > >>home or office, it could take two to three treatments to fully eradicate a
> > >>bedbug infestation. If you follow the proper preparation steps prior to
> > >>treatment, you are increasing your chances of eradicating the problem as soon
> >as
> >
> > >>possible. You also might want to think about purchasing mattress and box
> >spring
> >
> > >>encasements as well as a bedbug spray like Pronto Plus to create a barrier so
> >
> > >>that bedbugs and bedbug eggs are killed on contact.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>One last thought -- working with a pest control company is a partnership;
> >it's
> >
> > >>good old-fashioned team work. Remember to ask questions and, when in doubt,
> > >>refer to our list of key preparation steps.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>As always, stay educated. Education is the key to staying bedbug free.Take
> > >>Action:
> > * Boycott advertisers of Glenn Beck's radio show and his guest spots onFox
> > News. Glenn Beck is anti-gay rights.Update: Boycott Successful: Update
> >4/7/2011:
> >
> > Beck has been fired by FOX NEWS! Radio stations dropping Beck as well in
> >several
> >
> > locations. Now, tell FOX to stop having Beck as a Guest.
> >
> > * Update: DADT has been repealed. President Obama has kept his promise!
> > * Boycott Bill O'Reilly and FOX News and their advertisers. Bill discussed a
> > French commercial by McDonalds that was meant to show that McDonalds is Gay
> > Friendly. Bill said what is next? Is McDonalds going to be Al-Qaida friendly as
> >
> > well? Imagine - Bill O'Reilly compares Gays to Al-Qaida!Boycott Fox's Owner
> > "Rupert Murcoch" and get him thrown in jail for illegal - political donations,
>
> > corruption, greed, bribery, hacking!
> > * Boycott Arizona the home of "hater" - U.S. Senator John McCain. Arizona's
> > Hateful anti-Immigration Law - encourages racial profiling and increases hatred
> >
> > towards minorities. A remedy: Demand Republicans to support Immigration Reform
>
> > (The Dream Act). Further, Senator McCain voted against ending DADT and Blocked
>
> > Immigration reform!
> >
> > * Boycott Target, Best Buy, Gold's Gym - for donating money towards anti-gay
> > political candidates/organizations.Update: (12/26/2010): Target is continuing
> >to
> >
> > donate to anti-gay groups/causes/politicians. Update 03/08/11 - Lady Gaga Ends
>
> > Target Partnership, Reportedly Over Target's Poor LGBT Stance. Update 3/25/2010
> >
> > - Target displays their hypocrisy and Sues California Gay Rights Group for
> > Lobbying Outside Stores. Target is attempting to block the LGBT right of free
> > speech! STOP SHOPPING AT TARGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Update 4/8/2011: Target lost
> > its case to stop the LGBT from canvassing in front of their stores. A huge PR
> > Disaster for TARGET! Perhaps Target should go out of business as they betrayed
>
> > their investers and customer base. Target contributed massive funds to a
> > politician who would like to exterminate gays. Now, Target can not stop us from
> >
> > Boycotting them, nor picketing, nor talking to customers near their stores;
> > although, Target allows a anti-gay company such as the Salvation Army to stand
>
> > outside their door and speak with customers and raise money. Isn't this a
> >double
> >
> > standard?
> >
> > * End DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act). Prevents Federal employees and Gays in
> > the Military from gaining equal benefits. Prevents Gay Partners from gaining
> > equal benefits.
> >
> > * Pass ENDA (Employee Non-Discrimination Act). ENDA would prevent employment
> > discrimination of LGBT workforce.
> >
> > * Boycott Salvation Army as they will not hire Gays! "DO NOT DONATE TO THEM."
> > * BOYCOTT "Chick-fil-a"for donating money to anti-gay groups.
> > * BOYCOTT KOCH INDUSTRIES PRODUCTS- to include their products: Angel Soft
> > toilet paper / Brawny paper towels / Dixie plates, bowls, napkins & cups /
> >Mardi
> >
> > Gras napkins and towels / Quilted Northern toilet paper / Soft 'n Gentle toilet
> >
> > paper / Sparkle napkins / Vanity fair napkins / Zee napkins / Georgia-Pacific
> > paper products & envelopes / All Georgia-Pacific lumber & building products
> > (INVISTA Products) /Lycra / Stainmaster Carpet. The billionaire - Koch brothers
> >
> > are ultra republican - tea bag founders/supporters that do not support causes
> >of
> >
> > the LGBT community.
> >
> > * Boycott WALMART - The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, force criticized
> > Wal-Mart for denying employee benefits to same-s-x partners and for failing to
>
> > prohibit discrimination based on gender identity. By comparison, the group said
> >
> > two other chain stores with a strong presence in New York, Costco and
> >Walgreens,
> >
> > did much better.
> >
> > * Remember David Kato, Gay activist - Uganda, who was slain because he is gay!
>
> > * "Tune Out Trump", Boycott all Trump Hotel, casinos, holdings, The Apprentice
>
> > and NBC Network! At CPAC, Trump said he is considering a run for president as a
> >
> > Republican. In a interview with the Des Moines Register, Trump added that he
> > opposes all forms of legal recognition for gay couples, not just marriage.
> >"They
> >
> > should not be able to marry," he said. So why does NBC keep the Apprentice when
> >
> > Donald Trump has stated he may run for president? After making racist remarks
> > about Obama and recv'g public backlash, Trump decided not to run for president
>
> > after NBC renewed his awful TV Show. How can NBC re-new the clown's show after
>
> > he pulled such hateful shenanigans? Boycott NBC! Boycott advertisers of The
> > Apprentice and Trump's other business's. Don't shop at any bullding with Donald
> >
> > Trump's name to include Trump Hotels, Casinos, Condo's, Offices, Shops! The
> > Donald has expressed extreme Hatred towards gays and blacks with his birther
> > remarks and anti-gay rhetoric. Remember how poorly Trump treated Rosie
> >O'Donnel?
> >
> > Now we know why he did that! It was hate against a lesbian as we now know he is
> >
> > biget. Unforgiveable! Again, Dump NBC because they air/re-newed Donald Trump's
>
> > "The Apprentice"! Now the Donald Claims the Long Form Birth certificate is a
> > fraud. And NBC keeps this guy? And Now, Our War of the Fittest!This group is
> > called "Peckers Pics." The English - slang definition of "pecker" is to pluck
> >at
> >
> > the truth. Therefore, we peck at items such as Gay Men's Health, Male Fitness,
>
> > Gay (LGBT) Politics & Issues. In this section you may peck at each photo in
> > order to decide the winner of the "war of the fittest!" Whereas, you should
> > select the guy that may inspire you to exercise and "get fit!" Warning: This
> >may
> >
> > stoke you!
> > Your participation in discussion of health / news articles - appearing in this
>
> > message is greatly appreciated.
> > 1
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> > Paris Pride; June 25, 2011
> > Stoked?
> > Paris Pride; June 25, 2011
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> > Paris Pride; June 25, 2011
> > Gay Mormon, excommunicated from his church, commits suicide
> > By Eric Ethington - LGBTQNATION - Sep 23, 2011
> > >PITTSBORO, N.C. -- Bryan Michael Egnew, 40, spent the last decades of his life
> >
> > >building up the courage to come out to his family and Mormon church. Once he
> >did
> >
> > >his life, family and religion were stripped away from him, and he committed
> > >suicide within a matter of weeks.
> > >
> > >Growing up in the Mormon (aka LDS) Church as a gay man isn't easy. The pain
> >and
> >
> > >guilt pile-on as for years you are hammered with lessons telling you that
> >unless
> >
> > >you live a perfect heterosexual life, marry in a Mormon Temple, and follow the
> >
> > >Church's laws perfectly, you run the risk of never seeing your family again
> > >after death.
> > >
> > >
> > >It's a deep hole that many never escape from.
> > >ÂÂ
> > >Unfortunately, we have lost another beautiful person to the man-made hell of
> > >depression, created when he tried to be honest about himself.
> > >ÂÂ
> > >Egnew went on a Mormon Mission when he was 19, was married in a Mormon Temple
> >to
> >
> > >his wife Amy and had five children. He served within his local Mormon
> > >congregation for years, and outwardly was everything a Mormon man was expected
> >
> > >to be. But inside, Egnew fought a constant struggle over whether to continue
> > >pretending, or to be honest about himself.
> > >
> > >One of Egnew's friends, Jahn Curran, tells us that he has known Bryan since
> >they
> >
> > >attended college together at BYU, and like Egnew, Curran was also hiding the
> > >fact that he was gay. Years later, Curran would find the courage to come out
> >of
> >
> > >the closet, but Egnew was too afraid of what the consequences would be.
> > >
> > >But last month, Egnew found that courage and came out to his family and his
> > >church. The results were tragic.
> > >
> > >
> > >His wife Amy immediately packed up their children and drove them out of state
> >to
> >
> > >Tennessee, refusing to let Egnew see them. His parents and family withdrew,
> >and
> >
> > >his Church immediately excommunicated him because he refused to denounce his
> > >sexual orientation.
> > >ÂÂ
> > >PRIDEinUtah readers may remember our interview with Mitch Mayne, an openly gay
> >
> > >man who currently serves in the bishopric of his local Mormon ward (as long as
> >
> > >he remains celibate). His local church leaders are actually supportive of him
>
> > >speaking openly about the fact that he's gay, and encourage his story to be
> > >told. Contrast that with the unfeeling heartlessness of Bryan's leaders …
> >it's a
> >
> > >stark difference.
> > >ÂÂ
> > >You see, despite the thousands of reported suicides among LGBT Mormons, the
> > >Mormon high-leadership still refuse to put into place any official guidelines
> >or
> >
> > >provide training to local leaders on what to do when a person chooses to be
> > >honest about themselves.
> > >
> > >
> > >The result is the long trail of suicides of individuals who were left to face
>
> > >the wrath of local prejudices.
> > >ÂÂ
> > >Egnew's case is made worse by the fact that his family has tried to suppress
> >and
> >
> > >hide what happened and who Egnew was since his suicide on Sept. 10, 2011.
> > >
> > >
> > >His obituary made no reference to the fact that he was gay or the horror that
>
> > >his Church put him through in the last weeks of his life. His Facebook page
> >was
> >
> > >scrubbed of any mention of the truth and family members blocked anyone who
> >might
> >
> > >tell Egnew's story.
> > >ÂÂ
> > >How long will the Mormon Church continue to let their members die before they
>
> > >decide that LGBT people are worth being treated as equals?
> > >ÂÂ
> > >Calls to the Mormon Church for comment have not been returned.
> > Every gay and lesbian person who has been lucky enough to survive the turmoil
> > ofgrowing up is a survivor. Survivors always have an obligation to those who
> > will face the same challenges."
> > ....JakeÂÂ
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