From: Mark Fischer <fischerwdc@gmail.com>
To: Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Hair Wars-Sep 24, 2011-Boycott Georgia for Execution of TROY DAVIS
Long ago I was taught that statements that included such absolutes as "all",
"none", "always", "never", etc ran a high likelihood (very near 100%) of
being erroneous.
So, I must dispute the "All religion is crap" and "All religion does this,
that and the other thing" proclamations. I would not support the
proclamation that "Atheism is crap" or "Agnosticism is crap" so I will not
support the statement that "ALL religion is crap". Some is and some is
not. Most often when religion turns to crap it is the result of human abuse
of power and distortion of the actual teachings of the given faith.
To be clear, I do not follow any organized religion. I do not consider
myself "religious". I have a personal spirituality which draws on many
sources and works for me.
I see the massive flaws of organized religion and vigorously denounce its
many wrongdoings. Anybody who knows me or is one of my Facebook friends
will attest to to that.
However, I know people who are able to associate with a place of worship,
think and act independently, and are compassionate loving human beings. For
them, religion serves a useful purpose and likely makes them better members
of society. Neither I nor anyone else has a right to criticize their
personal choices or belief system.
So, my suggestion is this. Let's set a behavior goal . . .* Love,
acceptance and respect for all humanity and a commitment to full equality
for all *. . . and respect the right of each individual to choose for
him/herself the best path for finding and following his/her truth that
enables him/her to contribute to the furtherance of that stated goal. As
long as the individual acts appropriately in society and does not try to
proselytize, what right does any one of us have to judge or comment on
his/her personal faith. My answer is "None".
Cheers and Peace to All!
Mark
Moderator: Mark, your quote of the message edited out "The only religion should be one of kindness."
I believe that Kindness is fundamental and if a religion can not render such, than it is one of injustice.
I requested that we not launch a religious discussion. Now members have done so. I place incredible articles on daily basis in this group. It alarms me that so many members "only" comment when it is one of "religion." Therefore, do not continue subject as this is a "LGBT" group and not "religious" group.
What is wrong with members that most do not carry conversation on anything other than religion?
You know what I think? Religion is a Brainwashing tool as so few humans seem to be reactive to non-religious events. Only religion moves you to speak up. That mny friends is dangerous and a tool that launched the TEA PARTY (AKA. The KKK without the sheets)! ......jake
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Roger Miller <
steamh@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> All religion is crap.The only religion should be one of kindness.
>
> Moderator: That I do agree with. ....Jake
>
>
> To:
Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com> From:
tightend56@att.net> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 13:11:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Hair Wars-Sep
> 24, 2011-Boycott Georgia for Execution of TROY DAVIS
>
>
> Regarding Brother Bryan Egnew of the LDS faith and the tragedy of his
> untimely death: It is true that the LDS faith teaches that the only 'Divine
> Institution' on the earth is the family [think about it it is pretty cool].
> I am a bi-sexual [I have enjoyed both] Mormon that serves in my church. The
> law we follow is the law of Chastity, not celibacy. Chastity is the
> exclusion of sex with anyone [heterosexual too]outside of a legal and lawful
> marriage. The LDS Church has defined marriage as "between one man and one
> woman" [quite a long trip from the polygamy days] .
> No on has to join the LDS Church. His wife, and family have not acted in a
> very Christian manor. In the eyes of the LDS Church leadership, however, it
> is better to be released from the covenants made in this life [in the
> Temple]rather that to violate them and be held to those standards.
> Excommunication is an act of mercy in the eyes of the Church. That can be
> debated all day long.
> My point is this, you are so correct that we must be honest with ourselves
> and others, and not accept judgment from others. As members of the LBGT
> community we must show twice the tolerance of other peoples views. If we are
> more judgmental than others, then we become greater hypocrites.
> Perhaps, instead of Boycotts, if we let the companies and individuals know
> how much it distresses us to be considered 'less than' we can make a bigger
> impact.
> I enjoy you sites, because I have chosen to live a life of "chastity". I am
> not tempted, but can enjoy the site of shirtless men.
> in Christ,
> Jay
>
> From: Jake <
jakewest_tn@yahoo.com>
> To:
Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, September 23, 2011 12:38:37 PM
> Subject: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Hair Wars-Sep 24,
> 2011-Boycott Georgia for Execution of TROY DAVIS
>
> Hair Wars-PICS-Health-News-Sep 24, 2011-
> "NO" Religious Discussion / Safe PICS For All Ages/
> Boycott Trump-TARGET-FOX NEWS/Murdoch-Salvation Army
> Support Keith Olbermann's show "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" - new on
> "CURRENT TV" (air's nightly @ 8 PM EST (Mon - Fri).
> About time - as we need progressive un-censored news! Replays at 11 PM
> Eastern and 2 AM Eastern.
>
> Alert: Target + Minnesota Forward + Tom Emmer = Support for a rather
> dangerous and radical political philosophy that diminishes LGBT people to
> pests that should be murdered. And "Target" is cool with this? In San Diego
> LGBT community peacefully canvassed customers near their stores. In return,
> TARGET is suing the LGBT community for voicing our right of FREE SPEECH!
> Update: Target lost in court! David beat Goliath!
> What should you do? Return everything you bought to TARGET and tell them
> why! ....Boycott TARGET!!!!!
> Boycott Georgia for Execution of Troy Davis @ 11:08 EST, Sep 21, 2011:
>
> Former US President and Former GA Gov. Jimmy Carter did not believe that
> TROY DAVIS was guilty.
> The Former Director of the FBI feels that TROY DAVIS Was Not Guilty! Do not
> drive through Goergia as it is dangerous. Do not fly via Atlanta. Do not
> travel to GA. TELL YOUR COMPANY NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN A CONVENTION IN GA!
> Georgia Executes Innocent People!
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> Members should join our President Barack Obama group . (Health Care & Gay
> Rights, Gay Marriage, Repeal DOMA, Don't Ask & Don't Tell).... Osama Bin
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> I Have Bedbugs -- Now What?
>
> Michael Colongione - Huffington Post - Sep 23, 2011
>
> Everyone is quick to call up a pest control professional and ask the
> question, "When can you be here? I have bedbugs!" When the question really
> should be, "How do I prepare before you come and treat my home?"
>
> Prior to a pest control company coming to treat your home, preparing for it
> is just as important as the actual treatment. In celebrating Bedbug
> Awareness Month, we thought this was one of the most important topics to
> educate people about.
>
> Let's face it -- having bedbugs is stressful. It's the last thing you
> expect and the last thing you need. So after you have had your bedbug dog
> inspection and have made the choice as to who you are going to partner with
> to eradicate the bedbugs, what do you do? Well, cost is something we all
> have on our minds. So, I bring up the old adage: "Do it right the first time
> so you don't have to do it again." Preparing your home for a pest control
> company may seem daunting, but it will save you money and stress in the long
> run. Here are some things to keep in mind prior to treatment:
>
> 1. Clear All Clutter. Discard all papers, newspapers, magazines and
> anything that you might not need. Throw away in thick garbage bags and seal
> tightly.
>
> 2. Empty Closets Where Treatment Will Be Applied. If bedbug dogs have
> pinpointed where your problem is, you'll minimize the clothing you will have
> to wash. In the rooms that will be treated, remove all clothing from the
> closets, place them in thick garbage bags and close tightly.
>
> 3. Leave Your Clothing -- For Awhile. Leave your clothing in bags for the
> duration of the treatment and for some time after. Your pest control company
> can advise for how long. Don't worry, you can still take items out, just
> make sure you wash and dry them thoroughly prior to placing them back in the
> bags. Most pest control companies use residual products that last after they
> have left. You don't want to put clothing back until you are certain the
> bedbugs are gone for good.
>
> 4. Strip Everything. This includes your bed, box spring and cleaning out
> anything that might be under your bed.
>
> 5. Clean Out Your Shelves. Take anything from books to items on shelves
> that are in the room and place them in boxes. The pest control company
> should be able to treat them.
>
> 6. Remove Outlet And Light Switch Covers. Check beforehand if the pest
> control company supplies this service.
>
> 7. Check All Filing Cabinets. Take a good look inside. The best advice is
> to remove items and have the cabinets treated too.
>
> 8. Pull Your Bed Frame From The Wall. About three to five inches away
> should suffice.
>
> 9. Wash And Dry All Window Dressings. Like your clothes, place these in
> thick garbage bags and seal tightly until the treatment is over.
>
> Remember, many pest control companies have their own list of preparation
> steps that you should take prior to them treating your home. As a rule of
> thumb, if you call a company and they don't require preparation, I would
> question if you want to do business with them. Most bedbug eradication
> techniques currently on the market require preparation steps taken prior to
> treatment.
>
> Something else to keep in mind -- depending on the level of infestation in
> your home or office, it could take two to three treatments to fully
> eradicate a bedbug infestation. If you follow the proper preparation steps
> prior to treatment, you are increasing your chances of eradicating the
> problem as soon as possible. You also might want to think about purchasing
> mattress and box spring encasements as well as a bedbug spray like Pronto
> Plus to create a barrier so that bedbugs and bedbug eggs are killed on
> contact.
>
> One last thought -- working with a pest control company is a partnership;
> it's good old-fashioned team work. Remember to ask questions and, when in
> doubt, refer to our list of key preparation steps.
>
> As always, stay educated. Education is the key to staying bedbug free.
> Take Action:
>
> Boycott advertisers of Glenn Beck's radio show and his guest spots on Fox
> News. Glenn Beck is anti-gay rights. Update: Boycott Successful: Update
> 4/7/2011: Beck has been fired by FOX NEWS! Radio stations dropping Beck as
> well in
> several locations. Now, tell FOX to stop having Beck as a Guest.
> Update: DADT has been repealed. President Obama has kept his promise!
> Boycott Bill O'Reilly and FOX News and their advertisers. Bill discussed a
> French commercial by McDonalds that was meant to show that McDonalds is Gay
> Friendly. Bill said what is next? Is McDonalds going to be Al-Qaida friendly
> as well? Imagine - Bill O'Reilly compares Gays to Al-Qaida! Boycott Fox's
> Owner "Rupert Murcoch" and get him thrown in jail for illegal - political
> donations, corruption, greed, bribery, hacking!
> Boycott Arizona the home of "hater" - U.S. Senator John McCain. Arizona's
> Hateful anti-Immigration Law - encourages racial profiling and increases
> hatred towards minorities. A remedy: Demand Republicans to support
> Immigration Reform (The Dream Act). Further, Senator McCain voted against
> ending DADT and Blocked Immigration reform!
> Boycott Target, Best Buy, Gold's Gym - for donating money towards anti-gay
> political candidates/organizations. Update: (12/26/2010): Target is
> continuing to donate to anti-gay groups/causes/politicians. Update 03/08/11
> - Lady Gaga Ends Target Partnership, Reportedly Over Target's Poor LGBT
> Stance. Update 3/25/2010 - Target displays their hypocrisy and Sues
> California Gay Rights Group for Lobbying Outside Stores. Target is
> attempting
> to block the LGBT right of free speech! STOP SHOPPING AT
> TARGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Update 4/8/2011: Target lost its case to stop the
> LGBT from canvassing in front of their stores. A huge PR Disaster for
> TARGET! Perhaps Target should go out of business as they betrayed their
> investers and customer base. Target contributed massive funds to a
> politician who would like to exterminate gays. Now, Target can not stop us
> from Boycotting them, nor picketing, nor talking to customers near their
> stores; although, Target allows a anti-gay company such as the Salvation
> Army to stand outside their door and speak with customers and raise money.
> Isn't this a double standard?
> End DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act). Prevents Federal employees and Gays in
> the Military from gaining equal benefits. Prevents Gay Partners from gaining
> equal benefits.
> Pass ENDA (Employee Non-Discrimination Act). ENDA would prevent employment
> discrimination of LGBT workforce.
> Boycott Salvation Army as they will not hire Gays! "DO NOT DONATE TO THEM."
>
> BOYCOTT "Chick-fil-a" for donating money to anti-gay groups.
> BOYCOTT KOCH INDUSTRIES PRODUCTS- to include their products: Angel Soft
> toilet paper / Brawny paper towels / Dixie plates, bowls, napkins & cups /
> Mardi Gras napkins and towels / Quilted Northern toilet paper / Soft 'n
> Gentle toilet paper / Sparkle napkins / Vanity fair napkins / Zee napkins /
> Georgia-Pacific paper products & envelopes / All Georgia-Pacific lumber &
> building products (INVISTA Products) / Lycra / Stainmaster Carpet. The
> billionaire - Koch brothers are ultra republican - tea bag
> founders/supporters that do not support causes of the LGBT community.
> Boycott WALMART - The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, force criticized
> Wal-Mart for denying employee benefits to same-s-x partners and for failing
> to prohibit discrimination based on gender identity. By comparison, the
> group said two other chain stores with a strong presence in New York, Costco
> and Walgreens, did much better.
> Remember David Kato, Gay activist - Uganda, who was slain because he is
> gay!
> "Tune Out Trump", Boycott all Trump Hotel, casinos, holdings, The
> Apprentice and NBC Network! At CPAC, Trump said he is considering a run for
> president as a Republican. In a interview with the Des Moines Register,
> Trump added that he opposes all forms of legal recognition for gay couples,
> not just marriage. "They should not be able to marry," he said. So why does
> NBC keep the Apprentice when Donald Trump has stated he may run for
> president? After making racist remarks about Obama and recv'g public
> backlash, Trump decided not to run for president after NBC renewed his awful
> TV Show. How can NBC re-new the clown's show after he pulled such hateful
> shenanigans? Boycott NBC! Boycott advertisers of The Apprentice and Trump's
> other business's. Don't shop at any bullding with Donald Trump's name to
> include Trump Hotels, Casinos, Condo's, Offices, Shops! The
> Donald has expressed extreme Hatred towards gays and blacks with his
> birther remarks and anti-gay rhetoric. Remember how poorly Trump treated
> Rosie O'Donnel? Now we know why he did that! It was hate against a lesbian
> as we now know he is biget. Unforgiveable! Again, Dump NBC because they
> air/re-newed Donald Trump's "The Apprentice"! Now the Donald Claims the Long
> Form Birth certificate is a fraud. And NBC keeps this guy?
>
> And Now, Our War of the Fittest!
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> This group is called "Peckers Pics." The English - slang definition of
> "pecker" is to pluck at the truth. Therefore, we peck at items such as Gay
> Men's Health, Male Fitness, Gay (LGBT) Politics & Issues. In this section
> you may peck at each photo in order to decide the winner of the "war of the
> fittest!" Whereas, you should select the guy that may inspire you to
> exercise and "get fit!" Warning: This may stoke you!
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> Paris Pride; June 25, 2011
> Stoked?
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> Paris Pride; June 25, 2011
> Super Stoked?
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> Paris Pride; June 25, 2011
> Gay Mormon, excommunicated from his church, commits suicide
>
> By Eric Ethington - LGBTQNATION - Sep 23, 2011
>
> PITTSBORO, N.C. -- Bryan Michael Egnew, 40, spent the last decades of his
> life building up the courage to come out to his family and Mormon church.
> Once he did his life, family and religion were stripped away from him, and
> he committed suicide within a matter of weeks.
>
> Growing up in the Mormon (aka LDS) Church as a gay man isn't easy. The pain
> and guilt pile-on as for years you are hammered with lessons telling you
> that unless you live a perfect heterosexual life, marry in a Mormon Temple,
> and follow the Church's laws perfectly, you run the risk of never seeing
> your family again after death.
>
> It's a deep hole that many never escape from.
>
> Unfortunately, we have lost another beautiful person to the man-made hell
> of depression, created when he tried to be honest about himself.
>
> Egnew went on a Mormon Mission when he was 19, was married in a Mormon
> Temple to his wife Amy and had five children. He served within his local
> Mormon congregation for years, and outwardly was everything a Mormon man was
> expected to be. But inside, Egnew fought a constant struggle over whether to
> continue pretending, or to be honest about himself.
>
> One of Egnew's friends, Jahn Curran, tells us that he has known Bryan since
> they attended college together at BYU, and like Egnew, Curran was also
> hiding the fact that he was gay. Years later, Curran would find the courage
> to come out of the closet, but Egnew was too afraid of what the consequences
> would be.
>
> But last month, Egnew found that courage and came out to his family and his
> church. The results were tragic.
>
> His wife Amy immediately packed up their children and drove them out of
> state to Tennessee, refusing to let Egnew see them. His parents and family
> withdrew, and his Church immediately excommunicated him because he refused
> to denounce his sexual orientation.
>
> PRIDEinUtah readers may remember our interview with Mitch Mayne, an openly
> gay man who currently serves in the bishopric of his local Mormon ward (as
> long as he remains celibate). His local church leaders are actually
> supportive of him speaking openly about the fact that he's gay, and
> encourage his story to be told. Contrast that with the unfeeling
> heartlessness of Bryan's leaders … it's a stark difference.
>
> You see, despite the thousands of reported suicides among LGBT Mormons, the
> Mormon high-leadership still refuse to put into place any official
> guidelines or provide training to local leaders on what to do when a person
> chooses to be honest about themselves.
>
> The result is the long trail of suicides of individuals who were left to
> face the wrath of local prejudices.
>
> Egnew's case is made worse by the fact that his family has tried to
> suppress and hide what happened and who Egnew was since his suicide on Sept.
> 10, 2011.
>
> His obituary made no reference to the fact that he was gay or the horror
> that his Church put him through in the last weeks of his life. His Facebook
> page was scrubbed of any mention of the truth and family members blocked
> anyone who might tell Egnew's story.
>
> How long will the Mormon Church continue to let their members die before
> they decide that LGBT people are worth being treated as equals?
>
> Calls to the Mormon Church for comment have not been returned.
>
> Every gay and lesbian person who has been lucky enough to survive the
> turmoil of growing up is a survivor. Survivors
> always have an obligation to those who will face the same challenges."
>
> ....Jake
>
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