world beats around the bush, just say what you are thinking, and present it in a
natural, non-abrasive way and most people will listen and think about it.
I hate all the drama that people and family members have. I am married, and
have been with men. I have to be me. I want to be loved and love someone or
many. No one person can be the one and only for another person's mental,
spiritual, social and sexual fulfillment. If it takes a village to raise a
child, why in the world does anyone think that having one and only one love of
life will be totally fulfilling. I don't have to be right with society's norms,
I only have to be happy. When I am happy, people around me are happy.
Moderator: Appears to be a fracture! Equation: One must love, like respect, trust (be honest) with oneself. In a relationship, you need to like, love, trust, be honest with your companion; but, you can only do so, if "you must love, like, respect, trust, be honest with one-self." If the equation is broken in any form, than you can not be with one person as you are lacking one of those factors. Even gay-gay relationships, straight-straight relationships may have same fractures, as one may not like, or love, respect, etc., one-self. Therefore, one cheats and/or requires multiple partners, etc. This gives us all something to think about. ......jake
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From: Mark Tillman <zebopride@yahoo.com>
To: Peckers_Pics Yahoo Group <Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com>;
"youdaman47@yahoo.com" <youdaman47@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 4:02:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Jun 22,
2011-Countdown w/Keith Olbermann-Current TV (M-F) 8PM EST
Hey there Cut N Clean,
AWESOME "true" story that you shared with us!! The phrase and question, "Would
you rather be right or happy"? Extremely "simple" & to the point, thought
provoking question!! Also, your story of what occurred, is probably not that
uncommon?! Your nephews "silent" response in the beginning, speaks volumes
without saying 1 word! Thank you for taking the time to share that experience!
Marki ;-)
Sent from "Marki's" Android O.S. 2.4 LG Optimus (Smartphone).
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From: Cutn'Clean <youdaman47@yahoo.com>;
To: <Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Jun 22,
2011-Countdown w/Keith Olbermann-Current TV (M-F) 8PM EST
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 6:22:12 PM
Its really not so much that the "lights-went-on" as it is, sex with men was and
is fulfilling to you. I often ask people who are having arguments with others,
"Would you rather be RIGHT or Happy?" So to gay men I say, "Would you like to
RIGHT with the world and the societal conveyed rules, or would you rather be
happy?"
True story: My nephew is now on his third wife. While with wife #2, my
nephew's son a teen, had his boy friend in his room with the door locked. The
son had already indicated that he was gay, but the wife #2 told her husband, my
nephew, to go upstairs and get that door opened and stop what is going on in
there. When asked to do that, my nephew went out on the patio and had a smoke
instead.
My niece asked me, "Why did your nephew do that - smoke rather than stop his gay
son from having sex?"
Why should he, it would be a double standard. After all I said to my niece, you
and my nephew were having sex while he was married to wife #1, and if you think
he stopped when he married you, you must be joking! She said, I am not
joking!!! Well, then show some interest in your marriage and ask your husband
why he is having sex, regularly, with 26 other women, while married to you. She
responded: You have got to be joking! I responded like this: Hey Nephew! Are
you having sex with 26 other woman at the present time? He responded, "Yep, why
do you want to know Uncle?" I responded, I just wanted your wife to know, so
she could have other guys over while you are at work or meet up with them at
their place. Do you want to be right or happy? I would rather be happy. How
about you??????
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From: MassiveJO <MassiveJo@aol.com>
To: "Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com" <Peckers_Pics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 6:50:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Jun 22,
2011-Countdown w/Keith Olbermann-Current TV (M-F) 8PM EST
Well I did.
Totally repressed gay man. I could not be gay. Life, culture, family, religion
said so. Any attractions to men were ' thoughts from the devil'. I knew no gay
men in my life except one who tried to force "a s-x event on me - showing me on
a tour at of a work bathroom during my orientation and threatening me with lost
of my new job....i still ran and probably more into the closet and homophobia. I
also had strong desires for a family. S-x with a woman was satifying but until
figuring it out online at a bodybuilding site M4M and getting to speak to real
gay men who were like me in soo many levels the light bulb finally kicked on
that I WAS LIKE them. Gay s-x with even limitedly interested gay men was WAY
better than with women. Now the thought of s-x with a woman is repulsive to me
for any reason. I know who I am. Hope my kids and grandkids that are gay have an
easier time with exposure and acceptance of their lives......
Johnny in Ohio
On Jun 26, 2011, at 11:49 AM, "Greg" <gasolty@comcast.net> wrote:
> I am curious to know how a gay man can get a woman pregnant.
>
> I don't think I could do that if I tried. If I could, that would make being a
>closeted gay so much easier ...
>
> Just sayin' ....
>
> Anybody else have thoughts on this?
>
> *greg
>
> Moderator: Greg.. Guys are being honest and telling us about themselves. Lets
>make this simple. Ever turn out the lights and think about someone else? Add a
>drink or 2 and let your imagination go. ......jake
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Tillman
> To: Peckers_Pics Yahoo Group ; sresolvert@yahoo.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peckers_Pics] Male/Gay Health-Discussion-PICS Model Wars-Jun 22,
>2011-Countdown w/Keith Olbermann-Current TV (M-F) 8PM EST
>
> Hello there Stephen! :-) WOW! As a father of 1 daughter, 17yrs old until 2.5
>weeks from now (July 3rd).....but thinks she's going on 21....LOL! My hat
>definitely goes off to you!! Being a "stay at home" dad or mom, is a lot harder
>than one may think, especially until an individual tries actually doing it full
>time, everyday, without breaks (or very few breaks), and on and on it goes,
>never stopping, and THAT you know! LOL! My partner and I have raised my daughter
>since she was 11yrs old. She had primarily lived with my ex wife, up until the
>age of 11. Yes, I am gay..... Always have been and always knew that I liked boys
>growing up! Once I hit puberty, I then understood exactly what it all meant, and
>very quickly progressed from just liking boys, to frothing at the mouth over
>guys.... which then turned into going gaga over men!
>
>
> Long story short, because of my family upbringing, "outing" myself during my
>teen years was absolutely, positively, NOT an option! Unfortunately, my own
>fears of family and friends suspecting anything of the sort, would have been
>literally catastrophic to me in my case!! Even though I was certain of my sexual
>orientation, especially by High School, fear is what kept me "closeted" to
>everyone except a few friends! At university, I gave in and got married (to a
>woman), after being severely pressured! Our marriage lasted 5 years, but she got
>pregnant after only 6 months of being married! It was definitely a huge shock to
>me!! I didn't want children until about 30yrs old, after university, and I was
>settled in my career! She was very aware of my wishes! We both had Mutual gay
>friends, but she suspected that I was gay and constantly tried getting it out of
>me or from questioning our mutual gay friends! Since she could see that our
>marriage was deteriorating at a rapid pace, unbeknownst to me....she quit
>taking her birth control pills and started poking pinholes in my condoms, hoping
>that she would get pregnant, thus saving our marriage! Pretty shitty if you ask
>me! She ended up pregnant very quickly, as you might imagine! Needless to say,
>after finding out her devious acts, I decided to "come out" to her & my family.
>
>
> Although we were going to be divorced in a couple of year's, after finding out
>she was pregnant, I never chose to abandon my responsibility of being a father!
>Since we both had equal joint custody, but my ex labeled as "primary", once we
>were divorced a few years later, I spent as much time with my daughter as
>physically possible! I tell you this because, for quite a few years after she
>was born and after our divorce a few years later, our scheduals were very tight!
>Finishing up university and then completing medical school, while also taking
>turns watching and caring for our daughter, was like having 3 full time
>jobs...school, my actual paid job, and switching back and forth each week as to
>who was responsible for taking care of our baby daughter
>
> Sent from "Marki's" Android O.S. 2.4 LG Optimus (Smartphone).
>
>
>
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